WEIGHT and ACCELERATION as you FALL and CLIMB UP

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of weight and acceleration in the context of an airplane experiencing a drop due to low pressure. Participants explore the relationship between apparent weight and true weight during this scenario, as well as the implications when the airplane climbs back with an equal and opposite acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between net force, mass, and acceleration, questioning how to apply these concepts to the scenario. There is uncertainty about the initial conditions and the necessary information to solve the problem. Some participants suggest using equations relating apparent and real weight, while others consider the role of fictitious forces and free-body diagrams.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to approach the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding the importance of the reaction force and the concept of weightlessness during free-fall. However, there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or solution at this time.

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Participants note a potential lack of information regarding the reaction force and express confusion about the implications of acceleration during the airplane's descent and ascent. There are also references to the need for clarity on how fictitious forces play a role in understanding the problem.

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1. An airplane flying horizontally encounters a low pressure and drops, and you feel lighter. If your apparent weight during that time is 60% of your true weight, what is the acceleration of fall of the plane? If the plane now climbs back with an acceleration equal and opposite to the acceleration of fall, what will be your apparent weight at that time?



2. ? Net Force = mass x acceleration ? Weight = (-)mass x acceleration of free fall of 9.8 ?



3. ??Not sure how to start this. I was thinking maybe the acceleration of the fall of the plane would be acceleration of free fall -g = -9.8. But there is no way that it could be this easy. There is a vital piece of information I am missing out on! And if -9.8 is the acceleration of the fall, then 9.8 would be acceleration of it climbing back up. So if i did use the weight = mass x acceleration equation. Apparent weight would be 140% of true weight??

I'm very confused, so any assistance will be very much appreciated!
 
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sousou_88 said:
1. An airplane flying horizontally encounters a low pressure and drops, and you feel lighter. If your apparent weight during that time is 60% of your true weight, what is the acceleration of fall of the plane? If the plane now climbs back with an acceleration equal and opposite to the acceleration of fall, what will be your apparent weight at that time?

There is a vital piece of information I am missing out on!

Hi sousou_88! Welcome to PF! :smile:

The vital piece of information you are missing is R, the reaction force on you (from the airplane) …

good ol' https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=26" won't work without it. :wink:

(and R is also your apparent weight)
 
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Answer# 1. as we know that the equation relating the Apparent and the Real weight is given as
Fnet=W(real)-W(apparent)...1

but
W(real)=Mg..........2
W(app)=60% X W(real).......3
and F(net)=Ma.........4
where M is the mass of the aeroplane

so Ma =Mg-0.60xMg

this gives us that "a" is = gx(0.40) = 3.92m/s^2

this is the acceleration with which the aeroplane must fall...
 
A good way to approach this problem would be with fictitious forces. A free body diagram from the accelerated point of view, would reveal three forces acting on you, one of them is the fictitious force, and the other two are the force of gravity, and the reaction force from the airplane. From the accelerated frame, you are at rest.

For a positive y-axis pointing down, the direction of the acceleration is also down, and positive. Remember that the fictitious force is opposite the direction of the acceleration of the frame of reference.

Fd = -mA
Fg = mg
The reaction force is your apparent weight (Negative sign, as it is pointing up)

I think that a point that's confusing you is what your weight during free-fall would be. In free-fall, you are weightless!
Gravity has an equal effect on everything around you, you are not accelerating relative to the scale you're standing on, so you don't enact any force on it.
If you were being accelerated at a constant acceleration g, upwards, your apparent weight would be twice your actual weight.
 
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