Weight Loss Plan: Smoking 2 Packs/Day for Results

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by ShawnD
Are you listening to what you are saying? You just said that rice is good because it's an appetite suppressant. ALL food suppresses appetite. If you are hungry and you eat a steak, you will no longer be hungry. If you eat pasta, you will no longer be hungry.

Do you know what you are talking about? the difference between foods that you eat, and have a 'normal' full feeling from, and foods that you eat that HAVE a dietary "appetite supression" component, over and above the feeling of being full...probably because you have never eaten any of it...

Aside from that, your comment to Zoobyshoe clearly tells only of you, as it is a reflection of you, not him, cause not a chance is that either, an 'ignorant' comment, nor an avoidable fact of reality, that demonstrates, (from long historical use) that, generally speaking, Rice is NOT something that people get really overweight, from eating...but, apparently(?), you just want to argue that...

 

[Dissident Dan]

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/60634.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

So the diagnosis is correct: we are eating too many simple carbohydrates. But the cure is wrong. The solution is not to go from simple carbohydrates to pork rinds and bacon, but from simple carbohydrates to whole foods with complex carbohydrates like whole wheat, brown rice, and fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes in their natural forms.


These foods are naturally high in fiber, which slows their absorption, preventing a rapid rise in blood sugar. Fiber also fills you up before you eat too many calories, whereas you can eat large amounts of sugar without feeling full. Best of all, these foods contain at least 1,000 substances that have anti-cancer, anti-heart disease, and anti-aging properties.
...
When you eat a diet that is predominately complex carbohydrates, you get all of the weight-loss benefits of a high-protein diet and then some, since you don't provoke an insulin response, and you are eating foods that are much less dense in calories. Fat has nine calories per gram, whereas protein and carbohydrates have only four, so when you eat less fat you eat fewer calories without having to eat less food. And instead of mortgaging your health you are enhancing it. Some people are able to lose weight by smoking cigarettes, but that is not the best way to do it.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Thanks...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Dissident Dan
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/53/60634.htm?lastselectedguid={5FE84E90-BC77-4056-A91C-9531713CA348}

This is EXACTLY the sort of diet I am on now, and I have shed 22 pounds since New Year's without suffering or sacrifice. I would have lost more, but I have backslid a few times. Still, averaging about 2 pounds a week while occasionally slipping seems pretty good to me.

I eat all day, which seems to really be the key. I alternate meals and snacks every 2-3 hours all day long, so I am never that hungry, and I actually have noticed my appetite shrinking. Last weekend I went something like 10 hours without eating because I was so busy, and when I got home I fixed myself a HUGE meal. I ate maybe 10% more than my normal portion, and absolutely couldn't force mysef to take another bite.

 

[Evo]

Originally posted by Zero
This is EXACTLY the sort of diet I am on now, and I have shed 22 pounds since New Year's without suffering or sacrifice. I would have lost more, but I have backslid a few times. Still, averaging about 2 pounds a week while occasionally slipping seems pretty good to me.

Be careful not to lose too much too fast. At least you are on a healthy sensible diet.

So, is this a leaner, meaner zero?

 

[Kerrie]

I can't stand the Atkins diet...the theory that you cut out refined carbs is accurate, but don't double up on the fats and load up on the meat so much...Lately my diet consists of cheeses, Kashi cereal (it's soooo good), soy milk (regular milk makes me sick), oranges and LOTS of green veggies...chicken and fish dot my diet once to twice a week too...I completely avoid sodas-even diet-but still have a weakness for my morning cup of coffee...I do indulge in good chocolate every so often, but stay away from the quick sugar snacks...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Evo
Be careful not to lose too much too fast. At least you are on a healthy sensible diet.

So, is this a leaner, meaner zero?

Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

I'd heard men can get it as low as 2%...don't know about Akins, heard a little though...the rest, 'my' diet, I have no control over...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
I'd heard men can get it as low as 2%...don't know about Akins, heard a little though...the rest, 'my' diet, I have no control over...

2% bodyfat isn't really healthy, that's starvation territory there. Your body needs a certain amount of fat just to operate day to day.

 

[Evo]

Originally posted by Zero
Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...

Promises...promises...

I find a sharp mind and ascerbic wit extremely attractive on it's own.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Evo
Promises...promises...

I find a sharp mind and ascerbic wit extremely attractive on it's own.

Right...but a sharp mind is nothing without a flat tummy.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero
2% bodyfat isn't really healthy, that's starvation territory there. Your body needs a certain amount of fat just to operate day to day.

It's when you get down to just a brain, left, as body 'fat'...the rest you can get simply from eating daily...whatever that means (hee hee )

 

[samoth]

Originally posted by Zero
Let's not even talk about me being meaner...I'm not quite as lean as I would like, I'm aiming for about 12% bodyfat. When I get down to my goal, I'll be sure to post pictures of me in bodybuilder poses, all shaved-chest and oiled body...

What BF are you at now? How tall are you?

I am unsure if you were being sarcastic about the bodybuilder part, but if you weren't, 12% won't look very good oiled up.

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by samoth
What BF are you at now? How tall are you?

I am unsure if you were being sarcastic about the bodybuilder part, but if you weren't, 12% won't look very good oiled up.

I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?

I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero
I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?
I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect.

Yikes! I'm 5' 11" and bout 180 lbs, sink when I exhale in a pool of water, barely float, just the very last inch of my head, when I have lungs full of air...don't know what percentage that actually is, but I've not a lot of body fat...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Yikes! I'm 5' 11" and bout 180 lbs, sink when I exhale in a pool of water, barely float, just the very last inch of my head, when I have lungs full of air...don't know what percentage that actually is, but I've not a lot of body fat...

Yeah, well...my chest-to-waist ratio is really good...I can carry 180 and look really really buff, you know? I sink pretty well myself, I've got a 50" chest though...

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero
Yeah, well...my chest-to-waist ratio is really good...I can carry 180 and look really really buff, you know? I sink pretty well myself, I've got a 50" chest though...

YIKES![/size]


...well, not really, but...

 

[Zero]

It's not my fault I'm built like a tank, is it?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero
It's not my fault I'm built like a tank, is it?

YUP ENTIRELY DEFINATELY who else but...right? (or left?)

 

[Zero]

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero

Awwwww, sorry... [b(]

 

[samoth]

Originally posted by Zero
I was just kidding about getting oily...jeez, how cheesy would that be?

I'm 5'7", 210, and about 18% bodyfat...when I get down to about 180 and 10% bodyfat, I'll be just about perfect.

Actually, I am a competitive powerlifter, so I wasn't implying anything 'cheesy' with posing. If I had better upper body symmetry, I would be oiled up on stage myself.

You have decent stats... but taking yourself down to 180 will be a lot of hard work if you plan to do so whilst conserving muscle. Well, hard to do naturally, at least.

Do you lift weights, do a lot or cardio, or participate in any athletics?

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Heck I got from 220 plus to less the 180 in less then 35 days (not really healthy and I do NOT recommend it) by riding a bicycle from Kingston Ontario, to Carman Manitoba, in ~34 (or 35) days, back in Ninty-nine...last century...not enough food, but maintained muscle mass(es)...

 

[Zero]

Originally posted by samoth
Actually, I am a competitive powerlifter, so I wasn't implying anything 'cheesy' with posing. If I had better upper body symmetry, I would be oiled up on stage myself.

You have decent stats... but taking yourself down to 180 will be a lot of hard work if you plan to do so whilst conserving muscle. Well, hard to do naturally, at least.

Do you lift weights, do a lot or cardio, or participate in any athletics?

I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Originally posted by Zero
I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer.

Keep that 'head bleed' that your avie shows, and you'll be a lot less then that, sooner

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Wrote a book, years back, never published, the advice I gave on 'diet' was simple, excersize, cause you can eat pretty well anything, or everything, you want, if you get enough good/healthy excersize, and then you will figure out, for yourself, that way, that nutrition counts...energy...

Recall when I was overweight, didn't like it, felt tired more often, harder just to get up out of a chair, or seat, warmer too, body fat seemed to store more heat differently, but when you get cold, OOHHHH it is COLD...didn't like the way I Looked, either, but that was sort of really low on the "list" (no list! just thoughts)...

Best be healthy, and in a 'timely' manner...

 

[samoth]

Originally posted by Zero
I lift, I ride my bike for about an hour 4-5 days a week, and go for long walks every Sunday. I'm just combating years of neglect, I expect the weight will be gone by the end of the summer.

What kind of weight lifting do you do? Just casual?

I really recommend looking into powerlifting. Not so much as to push heavy weights around, but more because PLing really concentrates on your 'core', specifically, your lower back. I hear so many people, young and old, comment about back pain. A strong back will benefit a person for life.

Further, it concentrates on compound movements. This gives a more permanent physique change when compared to, for example, the lifting college kids do around me -- bicep curls followed by bench press with feet dangling in front and poised to hump the ceiling. Really, what is the point of doing bicep curls for years on end, other than attention from others?

Just a suggestion... important exercises and form are too often neglected for ego and attention.

Oh yeah... 50" chest? Dang... I'm jealous!

 

[samoth]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
Wrote a book, years back, never published, the advice I gave on 'diet' was simple, excersize, cause you can eat pretty well anything, or everything, you want, if you get enough good/healthy excersize, and then you will figure out, for yourself, that way, that nutrition counts...energy...

I tell people the same thing. People don't realize the extent to which this is true. I tell people this, and they just laugh it off.

Recall when I was overweight, didn't like it, felt tired more often, harder just to get up out of a chair, or seat, warmer too, body fat seemed to store more heat differently, but when you get cold, OOHHHH it is COLD...didn't like the way I Looked, either, but that was sort of really low on the "list" (no list! just thoughts)...

When I bulk up in the winter, I feel the same way. My summer/competition weight is 195, and I usually hit 225ish during the winters. Only thing is, I never get cold. I sweat walking to class in the middle of winter. Then again, my body isn't naturally 225 punds either, so maybe that's it's way of protesting!

Best be healthy, and in a 'timely' manner...

Wise words.

 

[Mr. Robin Parsons]

Got to read an excellant article in a recent edition of Mens Health magazine, called "Kill Bob"...about the corporeal effects of starvation...ie some of the Irish hunger strikers were some of the sources of information, the Holocaust surviors (inadvertently) added as well...and a doctors advise...too...

Apparently 4 (to 7) days, your carb reserves are gone, and your body is now in 'muscle depletion (self canabalisation) mode'...damage can (potentially) be done to several of the internal organs, the Brain (hence cognitive skills) suffers, as it's only fuel is glucose, (and your outa that) lots of other "symptoms" that are associated with this activity, making it an activity that is NOT doctor recomended...least not by the one associated with that article...

So diet is important! so is excersize! and, not unlike a guitar, (Buddha's example) it needs be balanced to be properly tuned...
and if you fast...for a day...that should be OK, but no more(?)...


(It is your choice, But I would recommend against prolonged)

 

[samoth]

Originally posted by Mr. Robin Parsons
...

Apparently 4 (to 7) days, your carb reserves are gone, and your body is now in 'muscle depletion (self canabalisation) mode'...damage can (potentially) be done to several of the internal organs, the Brain (hence cognitive skills) suffers, as it's only fuel is glucose, (and your outa that) lots of other "symptoms" that are associated with this activity, making it an activity that is NOT doctor recomended...

Interesting. There is something similar within competitive bodybuilding rings. The original model (first within the weightlifting scene) was proposed in a book called "Dirty Dieting" by Dan Duchain. Basically a diet book for people that weren't fat. It involved entering ketosis through extreme carb depletion, and was done in a specific 6 day cycle of depletion, ketosis, and carb-up.

So diet is important! so is excersize! and, not unlike a guitar, (Buddha's example) it needs be balanced to be properly tuned...
and if you fast...for a day...that should be OK, but no more(?)...


(It is your choice, But I would recommend against prolonged)

I don't know how much truth there is to this, but I have heard that fasting can actually be healthy and increase longevity. Granted, nothing extreme.