Weird statement in my book about (measure theoretic) conditional expectation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of conditional expectation in measure theory, specifically regarding the interpretation of the trivial sigma-algebra and its implications for the expectation of a random variable. Participants explore the meaning of "information" in the context of sigma-algebras and how it relates to conditional expectations.

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  • One participant questions the assertion that the trivial sigma-algebra provides "no information" about the random variable X, arguing that knowing X on this sigma-algebra implies knowledge of X everywhere.
  • Another participant suggests that the trivial sigma-algebra contains no intrinsic information, which does not affect the expectation.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the importance of considering discrete random variables and how a richer sigma-algebra can provide a clearer understanding of the concept of "information."
  • One participant raises a question about what information is hidden when using the trivial sigma-algebra.
  • Responses indicate that the random variable X might be measurable with respect to the trivial sigma-algebra, leading to potential ambiguity about the information it conveys.
  • Another participant clarifies that E[X|G] is G-measurable and serves as an approximation of X, noting that with the trivial sigma-algebra, this approximation must be constant.
  • It is discussed that a finer sigma-algebra allows for a better approximation of X, enabling E[X|G] to take on more values and not be restricted to a constant.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the trivial sigma-algebra and its implications for conditional expectation. There is no consensus on the meaning of "no information" in this context, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of how sigma-algebras relate to the information about random variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the terminology surrounding information in sigma-algebras can be vague and metaphorical. The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the potential for misunderstanding when interpreting the implications of different sigma-algebras.

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My book tries to illustrate the conditional expectation for a random variable [itex]X(\omega)[/itex] on a probability space [itex](\Omega,\mathscr F,P)[/itex] by asking me to consider the sigma-algebra [itex]\mathscr G = \{ \emptyset, \Omega \}[/itex], [itex]\mathscr G \subset \mathscr F[/itex]. It then argues that [itex]E[X|\mathscr G] = E[X][/itex] (I'm fine with that). But it claims this should make sense, since [itex]\mathscr G[/itex] "gives us no information." How is this supposed to make sense? In what regard does the sigma-algebra [itex]\mathscr G[/itex] give us "no information" about [itex]X[/itex]? I mean, if you know the values [itex]X[/itex] takes on [itex]\mathscr G[/itex], you know [itex]X(\omega)[/itex] everywhere, right?! So this obviously is the wrong interpretation (in fact, any sigma-algebra necessarily contains [itex]\Omega[/itex], so this interpretation would make conditional expectation useless) but I can't think of what the right one is...
 
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Think of a sigma algebra as 'containing information'.Since G is the trivial sigma algebra, it contains no intrinsic information & doesn't affect the expectation.
I must admit that this terminology is vague & nearly metaphorical. It's perfectly fine if you stash this terminology if it doesn't suit your intuition.
 
I don't know how the book you're following sets it out.

But consider discrete random variables X,Z and the E(X|Z=z) for distinct z's and how the sigma algebra generated by Z partions Omega. So consider first the functions measurable wrt to the trivial sigma algebra. Then a richer sigma algebra, and you might get more of a feel for the idea of "information" in the sigma algebra.

Even defining your random variables, Omega etc. and doing the calculations may make the idear clearer to you.
 
But what information is hidden if G is the trivial sigma algebra?
 
A lot? Potentially none - X might be G measurable.
 
What [itex]E[X\vert \mathcal{G}][/itex] means is that you know the information that X takes in [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex].

So the clue is that [itex]E[X\vert \mathcal{G}][/itex] is [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex]-measurable. In fact, it is the [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex]-random variable that approximates X best (and this can be made rigorous).

So [itex]E[X\vert\mathcal{G}][/itex] is an approximation of X that is [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex]-measurable. So for any ]a,b[, we know that

[tex]\{E[X\vert\mathcal{G}]~\in ]a,b[\}\in \mathcal{G}\}[/tex]

What happens if we have [itex]\mathcal{G}=\{\emptyset,\Omega\}[/itex], then we know that

[tex]\{E[X\vert\mathcal{G}]\in ]a,b[\}\in \{\emptyset,\Omega\}[/tex]

But this places severe restrictions on [itex]E[X\vert\mathcal{G}][/itex]. In fact, it forces this random variable to be constant!

If we take [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex] to be finer (thus to contain more sets), then we allow [tex]E[X\vert \mathcal{G}][/tex] to take on more values. Specifically, we allow it to approximate X better.

For example, if [itex]\mathcal{G}=\{\emptyset,\Omega, G,G^c\}[/itex], then we must have[tex]\{E[X\vert\mathcal{G}]\in ]a,b[\}\in \{\emptyset,\Omega,G,G^c\}[/tex]

This does not force our random variable to be constant. Indeed, we now allow [itex]E[X\vert\mathcal{G}][/itex] to take different values on G and Gc. So our random variable is now 2-valued!

The finer we make [itex]\mathcal{G}[/itex], the more variable the [itex]E[X\vert \mathcal{G}][/itex] can be. And the better the approximation can be!

I hope this helped.
 

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