What alternatives to traditional guns are available for self-defense?

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The discussion revolves around alternatives to traditional firearms for self-defense, exploring concepts such as plasma guns, particle beam weapons, and laser technology. Participants express curiosity about non-projectile options and their availability for personal ownership.

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  • One participant inquires about the existence of guns that do not rely on Newtonian bullets, specifically asking about plasma and laser guns.
  • Another participant asserts that while laser guns exist, they are not available in handheld forms and are typically mounted on ships.
  • Questions are raised regarding the effectiveness and limitations of Tasers, including their ability to incapacitate individuals and the duration of their effects.
  • A reference to the Gyrojet is made, with a participant noting its Newtonian nature despite its unique design.
  • Concerns are expressed about the naivety of equating science fiction concepts with real-world technology, particularly regarding the idea of a "quantum gun."
  • Participants discuss the importance of understanding gun laws and safety before considering gun ownership.

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Participants express differing views on the feasibility and existence of advanced weaponry alternatives to traditional firearms. There is no consensus on the availability of such technologies, and the discussion includes both speculative ideas and practical concerns about current self-defense options.

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Some participants highlight limitations in understanding the technology and legal implications surrounding firearm ownership. There are unresolved questions about the effectiveness of non-traditional self-defense tools like Tasers and the speculative nature of advanced weaponry.

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Individuals interested in self-defense options, technology enthusiasts, and those exploring the implications of non-traditional weaponry may find this discussion relevant.

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Hi,

I plan to buy a gun for general self or home defense. So many people own guns and I don't even have one. But is there any new guns that are not based on Newtonian bullets or projectile?

For example. What is the smallest plasma or particle beam or laser guns. What are currently available that can be owned (with a license of course as all guns are)? What new others available that don't use bullets?
 
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mieral said:
I plan to buy a gun for general self or home defense. So many people own guns and I don't even have one. But is there any new guns that are not based on Newtonian bullets or projectile?
No.
For example. What is the smallest plasma or particle beam or laser guns.
The only one of those that is a real thing is a laser gun and there aren't any handheld ones. The smallest are mounted on ships.
What new others available that don't use bullets?
Tasers are about it.
 
russ_watters said:
No.

The only one of those that is a real thing is a laser gun and there aren't any handheld ones. The smallest are mounted on ships.

Tasers are about it.

Do tasers that shoots the cords really freeze people.. how long are they in suspended animation? And are the small battery enough to make them still for one hour? And while the cords are in their body.. can't they simply remove the cords or pull them?
 
Noisy Rhysling said:

Interesting, I had no idea this existed. As far as I can see, it is still very much "Newtonian", though.

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mieral said:
Do tasers that shoots the cords really freeze people.. how long are they in suspended animation? And are the small battery enough to make them still for one hour? And while the cords are in their body.. can't they simply remove the cords or pull them?
Tasers have limitations, especially with people wearing bulky clothing or who are in a state of delirium for whatever reason. When it does work effectively, the person is only paralyzed for the time that the shock is being delivered (typically a few seconds), and then they are in a postictal-like state for a minute or two. There are risks to the person you are Tasing, BTW. The Wikipedia article is a reasonable place to start to learn about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser
mieral said:
I plan to buy a gun for general self or home defense. So many people own guns and I don't even have one.
Since it sounds like you have no experience with firearms or home defense strategies, I would recommend that you contact your local shooting ranges to see what classes they offer as an introduction to firearms safety and self-defense. The indoor ranges especially often have classes, and that is the best place to learn about firearms safety and your different options. Please do not go out and buy a weapon without having taken such a class.
 
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berkeman said:
Since it sounds like you have no experience with firearms or home defense strategies, I would recommend that you contact your local shooting ranges to see what classes they offer as an introduction to firearms safety and self-defense. The indoor ranges especially often have classes, and that is the best place to learn about firearms safety and your different options. Please do not go out and buy a weapon without having taken such a class.
Yes and please, before using a weapon that can kill, think as carefully as possibly about whether that is your only option. Sometimes it is, but please don't do anything that will make you live with regrets.
 
In this very quantum and relativistic age.. sad we still own primitive Newtonian guns.. isn't it. We must by now have some sort of quantum gun.

By your estimate.. what years in the future when we will have a laser pistol.. or even plasma discharge pistol.. what you think would be developed first or are in conceptual stage?
 
This thread is locked.

@mieral, in general a thread like this would be problematic for political reasons (we've already had to delete some posts going into politics when they shouldn't), but even as someone pro-gun politically I am disturbed by the naivete of the questions you are asking:

1. You don't seem to know the difference between sci-fi/fantasy and reality, in that you put a sciencey sounding word in front of "gun" and think it means something. "Quantum gun" is not a thing, it's gibberish.
2. You have no knowledge of the gun laws where you live (asked a very poor and now deleted question), so you wouldn't have any idea of when/how you would be allowed to use a gun.

So for this thread, I'm invoking our rules against dangerous activities policy - usually reserved for things like people doing their own electrical work - and recommend that you do not pursue gun ownership until you become substantially more formally educated in the matter.
 
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