What am I doing wrong? chemistry problem

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The discussion revolves around a chemistry problem involving the reaction of chloride gas with bromide in salty water to produce bromine (Br2). Participants explore the calculations needed to determine the amount of chloride gas required to produce a specified mass of bromine, addressing issues related to concentration and definitions of parts per million (ppm).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation attempting to determine the volume of salty water needed to produce 1 kg of Br2, initially assuming a molar mass for water and calculating bromide concentration.
  • A participant corrects a typo regarding the average molar mass of water, indicating a misunderstanding in the initial calculations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the relevant aspect of the problem is the amount of chloride gas needed, rather than the volume of water.
  • A later reply clarifies that the interpretation of 4700 ppm can vary, which may have implications for the calculations involved in the problem.
  • Participants discuss the different meanings of ppm, noting that it can refer to weight/weight, volume/volume, or molecules/molecules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some confusion regarding the definitions and calculations involved, but there is no consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the problem. Multiple interpretations of ppm and its implications remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the ambiguity in the definition of ppm and its application in the context of the problem, which may affect the calculations. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the initial calculations.

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Homework Statement


If one leads chloride gas over salty water with a density of 1,1kg/L containing 4700ppm Bromide (Br-) then the bromide shall react with the chloride gas. How much chloride gas does one need to produce 1kg of Br2?

Homework Equations


The reaction is 2Br- + Cl2 --> Br2 + 2Cl-.. not really relevant, I think

The Attempt at a Solution



I think we can safely assume that the average molar mass of the water is ~ 19grams maybe , and thus the molar density is (1,1kg/19gramspermole)L = ~ 59 moles/L

Br- concentration is 4,7 parts per thousand molecules. So concentration of Br- is 59*4,7*10^-3 moles/L = 0,2773moles/L.

We needed 1Kg of Br2/Br-, with the molar mass of Br being 80g/mole. 1kg/80g/mole = 12,5 moles.

12,5 moles/0,2773 moles= 45. We need 45L of salty water to produce 1Kg of Br2, in theory.

But the correct answer is 192L.. What am I doing wrong?
 
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fk, i made quite the typo.. I said average density of the water is 19 grams when i meant average molar mass of the water molecules is roughly 19 grams.. facepalm

anyway can somebody help me?
 
Nikitin said:
How much chloride gas does one need to produce 1kg of Br2?

The reaction is 2Br- + Cl2 --> Br2 + 2Cl-.. not really relevant, I think

Actually that's the only relevant thing here. You are asked about amount of chloride, not of water. At least that's what you wrote.
 
goddamn it, I meant how much *water* I need. it was late yesterday

anyway apparently 4700ppm can mean 4700 ppm of a kg, as well as 4700ppm of a mole. I didn't know that, so the problem is solved lol
 
Ppm can by anything - weight/weight, volume/volume, molecules/molecules (to name only those making sense). W/w is the most common one.
 

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