What am I doing wrong when evaluating this limit?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a limit as \( x \) approaches negative infinity, specifically focusing on the expression involving a square root and the behavior of terms as they approach infinity. Participants are examining the implications of multiplying terms that approach infinity and zero.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the manipulation of limits and the concept of indeterminate forms, questioning the validity of multiplying infinity by zero. There are discussions about the rates at which terms approach their limits and how this affects the overall limit.

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Some participants have provided insights into the nature of indeterminate forms and the importance of understanding the behavior of functions as they approach limits. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is mention of the original poster's confusion regarding the multiplication of infinity by zero and the implications of this operation in the context of limits. The discussion includes references to specific mathematical expressions and the need for careful consideration of their behavior as variables approach certain values.

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[tex]\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } (\sqrt { { x }^{ 2 }+x+1 } +x)\\ =\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } (|x|\sqrt { 1+{ x }^{ -1 }+{ x }^{ -2 } } +x)\\ Since\quad x\rightarrow -\infty \\ =\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } (-x\sqrt { 1+{ x }^{ -1 }+{ x }^{ -2 } } +x)\\ =\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } x(-\sqrt { 1+{ x }^{ -1 }+{ x }^{ -2 } } +1)\\ =\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } x\quad *\underset { x\rightarrow -\infty }{ lim } (-\sqrt { 1+{ x }^{ -1 }+{ x }^{ -2 } } +1)\\ =\quad -\infty *0\\ =\quad 0[/tex]

Before you say that you can't multiply infinity by 0, why not? If we thinking infinity as a very large number, it doesn't matter how large it is, if it gets multiplied by 0, it will equal 0, right?
 
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Your limiting operation is perfectly OKAY, but your conclusion is still wrong.
Basically, because "infinity" is not a number, and therefore cannot be multiplied reliable with any number.
The critical issue is what limit the FINITE products tend to.
And THAT depends on the RATES by which one of the factors tend to zero, the other to negative infinity.
The result should be -1/2
 
tahayassen said:
Before you say that you can't multiply infinity by 0, why not? If we thinking infinity as a very large number, it doesn't matter how large it is, if it gets multiplied by 0, it will equal 0, right?

No. That's wrong. ##0\cdot\infty## is an indeterminate form just like ##\frac 0 0## is. Look at$$
\lim_{x\rightarrow 0} x\cdot \frac 1 x$$ That is a ##0\cdot\infty## form and its limit is 1. You can make it be anything by putting a C in there.
 
Ah, makes sense now. Thank you.
 
In effect, your ugly factor will look more and more like -1/2*1/x, as x tends to negative infinity.
Thus, multiplying THIS with "x" gives you the correct limiting expression.
 
arildno said:
In effect, your ugly factor will look more and more like -1/2*1/x, as x tends to negative infinity.
Thus, multiplying THIS with "x" gives you the correct limiting expression.

Where did you get -1/2*1/x?
 
Multiply the ugly factor with its own conjugate.
And..simplify!
:smile:
 
arildno said:
Multiply the ugly factor with its own conjugate.
And..simplify!
:smile:
I think you mean, multiply the "ugly factor" by 1 in the form of the conjugate over itself.
 
Mark44 said:
I think you mean, multiply the "ugly factor" by 1 in the form of the conjugate over itself.

Reluctantly, and with smoke pouring out of my nostrils, I have to agree..
 
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Mark44 said:
I knew what you meant...

That doesn't lead to smoke reduction, since it is the effect of self loathing :cry:..
 

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