What Angle Causes the Fishline to Break?

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The problem involves a 2 kg ball attached to a fishline with a specified breaking strength. The ball is released from a horizontal position, and the question seeks to determine the angle at which the fishline will break as the ball swings downward.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the ball, including tension and weight, and how these relate to the breaking strength of the fishline. There are attempts to derive equations based on conservation of energy and force components. Questions arise about the correct interpretation of angles and force components.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various attempts to clarify the relationships between forces and angles. Some participants have provided hints and corrections regarding the setup and equations, while others are still seeking further clarification and confirmation of their reasoning.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the measurement of angles and the components of forces, as well as the implications of the fishline's breaking strength. The problem does not provide specific equations or methods, leading to varied interpretations among participants.

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Homework Statement



A 2 kg ball is attached to the bottom end of a length of fishline with a breaking strength of 44.5 N. The top end of the fishline is held stationary. The ball is released from rest with the line taut and horizontal (theta = 90 degrees). At what angle theta (measured w/vertical) will the fishline break?


Homework Equations



none i can think of

The Attempt at a Solution



F=\dfrac{mv^2}{l} where l is the length of the wire. then from conservation:

mgh = \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2

mg(l \sin \theta) = \dfrac{1}{2} ( F\cdot l)

F = 2mg\sin \theta = 44.5

Which is incorrect as sin theta must be < 1.
 
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At the angle θ, what would be the components of the forces radially and tangentially and in what direction would the tension T act?


After that, how would you find the centripetal force in terms of these forces?
 
Sorry I still can't get it with your information. Any other hints/solution?
 
Account for the weight opposing tension force.

(At the bottom, Fnet = 2mg = Tension - mg(weight), so max tension would have to = 60N for the line to never break.)
 
Two comments:
- You have sine and cosine reversed; note that θ is measured from the vertical.
- What you call F is the radial component of the net force on the ball, not the tension in the string.

Draw a free body diagram of the forces on the ball.
 
Oops, is this correct now:

F=T-mg\cos\theta \implies T-mg\cos\theta = \dfrac{mv^2}{l}
Where l is the length of the line.

mgh = \dfrac{1}{2}mv^2\implies mg(l\cos\theta) = \dfrac{1}{2}(T-mg\cos\theta)\cdot l

2\cdot 9.8\cos\theta = \dfrac{1}{2}(44.5-2\cdot 9.8\cdot\cos\theta)

\theta = 40.82^{\circ}

Please correct if it's wrong.
 
It looks good to me
 

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