What are constant coefficients in ODEs?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of constant coefficients in ordinary differential equations (ODEs), exploring definitions, examples, and classifications of linear and nonlinear ODEs. Participants examine the nature of coefficients, the role of forcing functions, and the distinction between homogeneous and non-homogeneous equations.

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  • One participant questions the definition of linearity in ODEs, specifically regarding the prohibition of products between the unknown function, its derivatives, and the independent variable.
  • Another participant clarifies that linearity means derivatives are of order one and that coefficients can be functions of the independent variable or constants.
  • A participant introduces the term "forcing function" and seeks clarification on its application in examples, particularly in relation to the function g(x).
  • Multiple participants assert that certain examples, such as y'' + sin(x+y) = sin(x), are not linear ODEs due to the presence of nonlinear functions of y.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between homogeneous and non-homogeneous differential equations, with examples provided to illustrate these concepts.
  • One participant notes that ODEs with constant coefficients are generally simpler, suggesting a potential area of focus.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and implications of linearity in ODEs, with no consensus reached regarding the examples provided. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of these definitions and classifications.

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Participants reference various definitions and examples without settling on a unified understanding of terms like "forcing function" or the implications of nonlinearity in specific cases. The discussion highlights the complexity of classifying ODEs based on their coefficients and functional forms.

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It says on Wikipedia in the article on differential equations that: 'a differential equation is linear if the unknown function and its derivatives appear to the power 1 (products are not allowed) and nonlinear otherwise'

Are these products between any of the variables that appear? So, are products between derivatives, the unknown function AND the independent variable not allowed or is it just between the derivatives and unknown functions?

In a book on ODEs I found in the library, it says:

..the general form linear ordinary differential equation of order n is
[tex]a_0(x)y^{(n)}+a_1(x)y^{(n-1)}+...}a_n(x)y=g(x)[/tex]

[tex]a_n(x)[/tex] are coefficients which are functions of x...so can these be any random function of x that doesn't really relate to the unknown function we're trying to find? Are they usually constants?

And what is the g(x) on the RHS?

Thanks
 
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See this page for some additional discussion on terminology -
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/diff.html#c6
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/diff.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/de.html#deh
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/math/spfun.html#c1

Linear means that the derivatives are of order one, e.g., y''', y'', y' or the function y, as cited in your example. There are not powers > 1, e.g., (y')n, and no products, e.g., y y' or y' y''.

The coefficients are functions of the independent variable, e.g., a(x) = x, or 1/x, or x2, or they can be constants.

In one's example, g(x) is a source term or forcing function (which makes more sense if x = t), and y(x) would be expressed as some function of g(x) and the coefficients of the derivatives of yi and y.

Here is a good reference on differential equations - http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/DE/DE.aspx
 
I'm not sure what you mean by forcing function...but if we had something like

y''+sin(x+y)=sin(x)

Would sin(x) be the g(x)? If we had known additional functions of x that aren't coefficients of the unknown function or the derivatives, then they would be part of the g(x) too?
 
y''+sin(x+y)=sin(x) is NOT a linear ODE because sin(x+y) is not a linear function of y.
y''+sin(x+y)=0 is NOT a linear ODE because sin(x+y) is not a linear function of y.
y''+sin(y)=sin(x) is NOT a linear ODE because sin(y) is not a linear function of y.
y''+sin(y)=0 is NOT a linear ODE because sin(y) is not a linear function of y.

y''+sin(x)*y=sin(x) is a linear ODE because sin(x)*y is a linear function of y
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autodidude said:
I'm not sure what you mean by forcing function...but if we had something like

y''+sin(x+y)=sin(x)

Would sin(x) be the g(x)? If we had known additional functions of x that aren't coefficients of the unknown function or the derivatives, then they would be part of the g(x) too?
The nonlinearity was addressed in the previous post.

Besides linearity, one has homogenous and non-homogenous differential equations.

y'' + P(x) y' + Q(x) y = R(x) is nonhomogenous, if R(x) ≠ 0, and

y'' + P(x) y' + Q(x) y = 0 is a homogenous differential equation.

There are many special types of ODEs: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/OrdinaryDifferentialEquation.html

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Second-OrderOrdinaryDifferentialEquationSecondSolution.html

ODEs with constant coefficients are fairly simple.
 

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