What are Negative Reaction Orders and How Do They Affect Reaction Rates?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of negative reaction orders in chemical kinetics, exploring their implications on reaction rates and the relationship between reaction orders and reactant concentrations. Participants raise questions about the definitions and conditions under which negative orders can occur, particularly in relation to elementary steps and overall rate laws.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what constitutes a negative order reaction, particularly if reactants are produced during the forward reaction and how this relates to the rate-determining step (RDS).
  • Another participant suggests that overall rate laws can be complex and may not align neatly with elementary step orders, indicating that negative orders might be possible in overall rate laws.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about the possibility of negative reaction orders in elementary steps, noting that coefficients typically correspond to the order and questioning how a forward reaction could have a negative order.
  • It is proposed that a full rate equation may involve concentrations of products, which could lead to negative reaction orders, suggesting this might be more common than exceptional.
  • One participant advises focusing on simpler orders (first, second, zero) and understanding mechanisms rather than getting bogged down in complex cases of negative orders.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity and implications of negative reaction orders, with multiple competing views remaining on their occurrence in elementary steps versus overall rate laws.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of reaction orders, the assumptions about the relationship between reactants and products, and the complexity of overall rate laws versus elementary steps.

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We were just going over examples of reaction orders in class and I was told 2 things:

1.) Negative reaction orders are possible
2.) An order of 0 says the reaction rate is independent of the reactant concentration(s)

I had a few questions, though.

1.) What exactly constitutes a negative order reaction if reaction orders are determined by the RDS in elementary steps? Are reactants being produced when the forward reaction occurs? What exactly is going on for this to occur?

2.) If the order of the reaction is 0, but one reactant has an order of -1/2 and the other 1/2, doesn't this still mean that the reaction rate is dependent on reactant concentration despite having an overall order of 0?

Any clarification please? Thanks!
 
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Maybe you need to clarify if these statements refer to overall rate laws or order with respect to some participant.

Overall rate laws are determined by experiment and can get very freaky and complicated when all is said and done.

See the Wikipedia article: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_reaction

Or refer to a decent physical chemistry text for more info.
 
Yanick said:
Maybe you need to clarify if these statements refer to overall rate laws or order with respect to some participant.

Overall rate laws are determined by experiment and can get very freaky and complicated when all is said and done.

See the Wikipedia article: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_reaction

Or refer to a decent physical chemistry text for more info.

Both, for elementary steps and the overall reaction order. I was told in class, with no specific reference even after speaking with the professor, that negative reaction orders are possible (i.e. -1/2). This is only possible if the elementary step also has a negative order, correct? I'm just unsure on how a reaction proceeding in the forward direction could have a negative order. Any clarification please since for elementary steps, the order is related to the reactant coefficients, and the reactant must be produced in order for the forward reaction to have a negative reaction order, correct?
 
I certainly don't know every single possibility that can occur in kinetics but my gut tells me that for an elementary step you shouldn't have negative reaction orders since the coefficients are the exponents. Maybe someone with more knowledge can help for the elementary step case. For an overall rate law I can see non integer as well as negative orders being possible because overall rate laws, as I mentioned, can be freaky looking.

Think about what \frac{dy}{dt}=k x^{-1} means. It doesn't mean that anything necessarily goes backwards, just that the instantaneous change of y as a function of time gets smaller as x gets larger.
 
A full rate equation may include concentration not only of 'reactants' but of products (this may be, but not necessarily, full back-reaction) and they will usually be in the denominator of the equation for rate of the forward reaction, so could be said to correspond to a negative reaction order. And in this sense must be more rule than exception.

But don't worry about such things beyond maybe first, second and zero orders, worry about mechanisms and the equations they generate, or about observed kinetics and the inferences therefrom of mechanism. If you come to examples you come to them, but otherwise it would be a slightly wordish preoccupation IMHO. :smile:
 

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