What are some examples of open subsets that are not manifolds?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of open subsets in Euclidean space ℝn, particularly whether such subsets can be manifolds of lower dimensions than that of the parent space. Participants explore definitions and implications related to open sets and manifolds.

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  • One participant questions if any open subset Ω in ℝn, associated with an atlas and coordinate charts, must always be a manifold of dimension n.
  • Another participant states that by definition, every point in an open subset has a neighborhood that is an open ball, suggesting that coordinate transformations can be the identity map.
  • A different participant asserts that since neighborhoods in an n-dimensional manifold are n-dimensional, an open set in an n-dimensional manifold must also be n-dimensional, implying that lower-dimensional manifolds cannot be open subsets.
  • One participant reiterates the question about the existence of open subsets that are manifolds of lower dimensions, emphasizing that the concept of dimension is well defined.
  • A participant provides a link to an external resource on the invariance of domain, possibly to support their argument or provide further context.

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Participants express differing views on whether open subsets can be manifolds of lower dimensions, with some asserting that this is not possible while others question the definitions involved. The discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion touches on definitions of open sets and manifolds, but lacks consensus on the implications of these definitions regarding dimensionality. There are also references to external resources that may provide additional context but do not resolve the debate.

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Hello,

I was wondering if it is true that any open subset Ω in ℝn, to which we can associate an atlas with some coordinate charts, is always a manifold of dimension n (the same dimension of the parent space).
Or alternatively, is it possible to find a subset of ℝn that is open, but it is a manifold of dimension lower than n?

In ℝ3 I cannot think of any open subset that would be a curve or a surface. So it would seem that in this case open subset implies manifold of dimension 3 (provided we can find atlas and charts to cover it).

Does this hold in general?

Thanks.
 
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By definition,in an open subset of Euclidean space every point has a neighborhood that is an open ball. The coordinate transformations can be taken to be the identity map.
 
The definition of "open set" requires that, for every point, there exist a "neighborhood" of that point contained in the set. "Neighborhoods" in an n-dimensional manifold are themselves n-dimensional so the answer to your question is "no". An open set in an n-dimensional manifold must be n-dimensional.
 
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mnb96 said:
Hello,

Or alternatively, is it possible to find a subset of ℝn that is open, but it is a manifold of dimension lower than n?

Thanks.

The concept of dimension is well defined. That is: an open subset of Euclidean space can not be open in either a higher of lower dimensional Euclidean space.
 
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