What are the best resources for learning about car engines and subsystems?

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The discussion centers around resources for learning about car engines and subsystems, including topics such as sensors, electronics, fuel injection, and various mechanical systems like steering and brakes. Participants seek recommendations for books and materials that provide a deeper understanding of automotive engineering beyond basic knowledge.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to learn about car engines and subsystems, seeking a variety of resources.
  • Another suggests starting with the Automotive Engineering forum and recommends the Bosch automotive handbook.
  • A participant mentions that the Bosch handbook covers a wide range of topics, including ignition and electrical systems.
  • One participant finds the suggested Auto Fundamentals book too basic and requests more advanced resources.
  • Another participant recommends a book on advanced automotive electronic systems and a repair book to enhance understanding of car components.
  • A participant emphasizes the importance of specialized books for in-depth repair knowledge and suggests that foundational knowledge is essential for further learning.
  • One participant seeks a book that explains the design motivations behind automotive systems and components, expressing frustration over the lack of intermediate-level resources.
  • Another participant notes the challenges in finding suitable books due to the proprietary nature of design knowledge and the complexity of design decisions.
  • One participant suggests that experience is crucial for understanding design beyond what books can provide.
  • A participant reflects on the general principles of design efficiency and the importance of learning from past designs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for more advanced resources but express differing views on the availability and nature of such materials. There is no consensus on specific recommendations that meet the desired level of depth.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in available resources, noting that many books are either too basic or overly technical, and that proprietary knowledge in the industry complicates the availability of comprehensive materials.

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I'm looking to learn more about cars, mostly on engines but also subsystems (steering, brakes, suspension, etc.)

I want to learn how things are done, and things about sensors/electronics, techniques on throttling, fuel injection, shifting, starting, etc.

I'd welcome all suggestions, the more variety the better. I want to learn about all I can.
 
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start with Automotive Engineering forum under this forum...
 
And get the Bosch automotive handbook.
 
I got the second one (Auto fundamentals) and it is the right idea of what I'm looking for although its too novice level, sort of like for kids. If there is some book of that type but more advanced, I'd really like to know about it.

thanks
 
If you are wanting my in depth repair etc you will have to go into more specialized books. What are you after exactly?

Anyone starts at the basics and progress from there. Fully understanding each area and not a skim through will build a foundation that will promote a more thorough knowledge base in repairs. One thing a lot don't study often is the automatic transmission and its internal operations during operation.
 
I already know the foundation and all the basics, I just want a book that is 1 step further. The ones suggested are good, but now I'm looking for the next level up. Ideally I want a book that breaks down systems and components and explains why they were designed the way they are, i.e. what was the motivation and thought process that the engineers had to go through to come up with that design.

I'm not specifically looking for engine history, but talking about past failures and solutions would help. I'll look into that electrical system book, rcremont, thanks.
 
Curl said:
I already know the foundation and all the basics, I just want a book that is 1 step further. The ones suggested are good, but now I'm looking for the next level up. Ideally I want a book that breaks down systems and components and explains why they were designed the way they are, i.e. what was the motivation and thought process that the engineers had to go through to come up with that design.

I don't think you are going to find exactly what you want, at the level you want.
I find that most books are either aimed at amateur enthusiasts or are extremely dry technical texts. There is a gap in the market for the '2nd level' technical book.

This is because it's so difficult to write a good one, for two reasons:

1. Most things are designed by companies, and what they learn costs them money (ususally from failures), so they try their best to keep design best practice guidelines confidential.

2. There are so many potential designs, and so many factors influencing design decisions and so many compromises, it quickly becomes impossible to sensibly list or discuss them. Especially when a design factor is a subjective criteria.

The Bosch Handbook will probably be closest to the thing you want.


But ultimately, experience is what you are after and you can't get that from a book.
 
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Think about why we design things in general. To make tasks needed to be done quicker, done more efficiently and in the safest manner possible. The simplicity of the design for whatever it may be is most desirable. My grandfather once said, everything changes for the better, remember this progression doesn't happen very fast if each time something is redesigned rather than looking at the first designs faults and fixing them or removing or adding characteristics etc.
 

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