What are the Complementary Parameters in Quantum Physics?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of complementary parameters in quantum physics, exploring the nature of measurements and observables that exhibit complementarity, as well as the challenges in compiling a comprehensive list of such pairs. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to quantum mechanics.

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  • Some participants note that pairs of generalized positions and momenta are generally accepted as complementary due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
  • Others mention that there are complementary observables that are not conjugate, such as the spin components of a spin-1/2 particle.
  • One participant points out that the list of complementary observables is not complete, especially for more complex quantum systems.
  • Another participant emphasizes that there are infinitely many pairs of complementary observables, suggesting that compiling a complete list may not be practical.
  • Some participants discuss the foundational role of complementary observables in quantum theory, particularly in relation to commutation relations and the definition of the theory.
  • A participant expresses interest in the complementary relationship between aspects of time and space, as mentioned by Lee Smolin.

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Participants generally agree on the significance of complementary observables in quantum theory, but there is no consensus on the completeness of a list of such observables or the implications of different types of complementarity.

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Limitations include the unresolved nature of certain complementary observables in higher-dimensional quantum systems and the dependence on definitions of observables and their relationships.

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I was thinking about the various complementary parameters in quantum physics. I'm curious if anyone is aware of a "complete" list of such measurements or qualities that has been compiled in one source, based on current knowledge.
 
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I don't know of any table, but it is generally accepted that any pair of generalized positions and momenta will be complementary in the sense that resolving measurements of both is limited by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. This includes ordinary positions/momenta, angular positions/momenta, and any observables associated to generalized positions and momenta in Hamiltonian/Lagrangian mechanics.

Alternatively, there are also pairs of observables that are complementary, but not conjugate. As an example, it is not possible to prepare a spin-1/2 particle in a state where you will be able to predict the measurement outcomes of all its spin components with accuracy.

As an interesting side note, the list of all kinds of sets of complementary observables is not complete yet, even for simple systems. For example, for quantum systems of dimension 6 (say, a pair of particles; one spin-1/2 and one spin-1) it is an unsolved problem to find a complete set of complementary observables (also called "mutually unbiased" observables).
 
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There are an infinite number of such pairs, so nobody has considered it a good use of their time to write them all down.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
There are an infinite number of such pairs, so nobody has considered it a good use of their time to write them all down.
Fair enough. I was aware of the various forms position/momenta complimentarity. But I'd recently read a passage where Lee Smolin referred to aspects of time and space having a similar complementary relationship, and it got me thinking about the general concept.
 
In a sense, complementary observables are the basis of any quantum theory.

A quantum theory is specified by (1) Hilbert space (2) Observables (3) Hamiltonian.

In specifying (2) Observables, a very important part is their commutation relations, which is how "complementary observables" are formalized in the mathematics.
 
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Atyy is absolutely right - I might even drop the "in a sense". Once you define the commutator algebra, you have defined the theory. That's both its power, and the reason you can't write it all down.
 
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Thanks to both of you. That's the input I was looking for. It gives me a different way of looking at the idea.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Atyy is absolutely right - I might even drop the "in a sense". Once you define the commutator algebra, you have defined the theory. That's both its power, and the reason you can't write it all down.

Yes, I put "in a sense" in at the last moment, knowing that this is PF and there will be all sorts of tricky questions, like whether an anti-commutation relation is also "complementary" :)
 

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