What are the Conditions for a Massive and Massless Particle in Spacetime?

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The discussion revolves around the equations of motion for particles in spacetime, specifically focusing on the conditions for massive and massless particles. The original poster seeks clarification on the trajectory solutions to the equations and the implications of mass on these solutions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the general solution to the equations of motion, noting that massive particles follow straight worldlines while massless particles travel at the speed of light. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the trajectory and the implications of mass on the velocity of particles.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the nature of the solutions and the definitions of timelike and lightlike velocities. Some have offered insights into the mathematical forms of the solutions, while others are questioning the assumptions made about dimensions and the nature of massless particles.

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There is mention of a lack of information affecting the ability to determine specific parameters for the trajectories. Additionally, the discussion reflects some confusion regarding the dimensionality of spacetime in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



The equations of motion are:
[tex]\frac{d^2 x^\mu}{d\tau ^2} = 0[/tex]
Write down the tra jectory that’s the most general solution to them. What are the conditions
on your solution if the particle is:
(a) Massive?
(b) Massless?

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not too sure what is meant by write down, but judging from equation I can assume that the path is straight worldlinefor a massive particle in spacetime, since there is no four-force acting on it. What my main problem is the massless particle, as it is obvious that the acceleration is 0 from the fact that massless particles should always travel at c. Any idea what is meant by that. I am really sorry for asking, but the prof is the kind of person who states that everything is supposed to be from kindergarten.. string theorists don't you love them.

Cheers,

Biest
 
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The most general solution to the differential equation:

[tex]\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = 0[/tex]

is:

[tex]y(x) = ax + b[/tex]

So the solution to the equation you have is just something of the above form for every coordiante (ie, every value [itex]\mu[/itex] can take). Yes, this is a straight line through spacetime.

This will give 2D arbitrary parameters (where D is the dimension of spacetime, which is probably 4, but you never know when a string theorist is teaching), specifying two vectors: an initial position and a velocity. The velocity must be timelike (ie, v^2 = - v_0^2 + v_1^2 + ... + v_D^2 < 0) for massive particles and lightlike ( v^2 = 0) for massless ones. This doesn't follow from the equation, but from the definition of mass:

[tex]m^2 = - p^2 \propto - v^2[/tex]

where the proportionaliy constant is positive.
 
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That is what i have figured. It would be something along the lines of

[tex]x^\mu = a^\mu \tau + b^\mu[/tex]

Where a^\mu and b^\mu are the parameters, which we can not find cause of lack of information.

And D = 0 in our class
 
D=0? That's funny dimension for even a string theorist to be working in. In zero dimensions, no one can hear you scream. :)
 
Dick said:
D=0? That's funny dimension for even a string theorist to be working in. In zero dimensions, no one can hear you scream. :)

ups sry i really should wear my glasses, did not see what, well i thought it was the 0, 1, 2, 3 thing.

Even when i read his replies to my emails no one can hear me scream...
 
StatusX said:
The most general solution to the differential equation:

[tex]\frac{d^2 y}{dx^2} = 0[/tex]

is:

[tex]y(x) = ax + b[/tex]

So the solution to the equation you have is just something of the above form for every coordiante (ie, every value [itex]\mu[/itex] can take). Yes, this is a straight line through spacetime.

This will give 2D arbitrary parameters (where D is the dimension of spacetime, which is probably 4, but you never know when a string theorist is teaching), specifying two vectors: an initial position and a velocity. The velocity must be timelike (ie, v^2 = - v_0^2 + v_1^2 + ... + v_D^2 < 0) for massive particles and lightlike ( v^2 = 0) for massless ones. This doesn't follow from the equation, but from the definition of mass:

[tex]m^2 = - p^2 \propto - v^2[/tex]

where the proportionaliy constant is positive.

I was just working on the problem of the massless particle again, if it is moving at c, shouldn't it be a null like dependence rather then a timelike?
 
Biest said:
I was just working on the problem of the massless particle again, if it is moving at c, shouldn't it be a null like dependence rather then a timelike?

Sure. StatusX just said 'lightlike' instead of null. It's the same thing.
 

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