What Are the Derivatives of |x| and [x]?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the differentiability of the functions |x| (absolute value) and [x] (greatest integer function), exploring their derivatives across different intervals and points, including points of discontinuity and non-differentiability.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that |x| is differentiable everywhere except at x = 0, where it has a cusp.
  • Others clarify that the greatest integer function [x] is constant between integers, leading to a derivative of 0 in those intervals, but it is not differentiable at integer values due to jumps.
  • One participant questions the interpretation of a statement regarding the derivatives of the greatest integer function and the modulus function, seeking clarification.
  • Several participants agree that the derivative of |x| is 1 for x > 0 and -1 for x < 0, and it can be expressed as x/|x| for x ≠ 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the differentiability of |x| except at x = 0 and the behavior of the greatest integer function between and at integers. However, there is some confusion regarding specific statements made about these functions, indicating that not all points are fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about differentiability at specific points and the interpretation of certain statements, which remain unresolved.

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Are |x| and [x] differentiable anywhere? If so, what're their derivatives?
 
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Um...just about everywhere.
Take f(x) = |x| for 0 < x < ∞. Now, what's its derivative? (you should be able to figure this out)
Is this a homework question?
 
[x], in particular, (I assume you mean either the "floor" or "ceiling" function) is constant for any non-integer x.
 
I understand that the graph of |x| has got a cusp at 0, so that you can't draw a tangent there, and so itsn't differentiable at 0. I also understand that [x] (I meant the greatest integer function)isn't continuous at integral values, and so it isn't differentiable for integer values of x.

What I don't understand is the following statement made by one of my online friends: " gif is not diff at terminal points and modulus function at zero, but at other points gif gives 0 and mod gives mod x divided by x". Can anyone make sense of this? "gif" means greatest integer function.
 
As Number Nine asked, what is the derivative of |x| for x>0? For x<0?
 
The gif is constant between integers, so its derivative is 0 there. At integers it jumps, so there is no derivative.

|x| has derivative 1 for x > 0 and -1 for x < 0, this can be written as x/|x| for x ≠ 0.
 
Oh, I'm sorry I missed that question. For x>0, derivative of |x| is 1, and for x<0, derivative of |x| is -1.

mathman said:
This can be written as x/|x| for x ≠ 0.

Now I get it! Thanks everyone!
 

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