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I don't know what you mean by that. I wasn't directing it at anybody, just saying that knowing one thing doesn't mean you are smart in general.
TheStatutoryApe said:I would suppose this simply depends on your religion and your view of science.
It isn't. ID doesn't claim that the world is only 6,000 years old. Nor does it refute evolution, contrary to popular belief, just natural selection.
Evo said:I'd say that if you feel you can't pick, don't vote. Otherwise go with the predefined definitions the OP stated.
Pythagorean said:... and I think most religions are harmful and distracting to a productive society.
~christina~ said:Not necessarily. If you are referring to those religions which become cults or etc. then yes, but for example, I believe in a "higher power" but I think it is not necessary to go to church every sunday. I feel that this was something MANMADE. (who's with me there?) I just pray at home and I feel that it shouldn't matter where you pray.
Poop-Loops said:The funny thing is that it even says in the Bible to do exactly what you do, pray at home, don't care about where others pray, just do it to yourself and be happy.
Anyone can have their own interpretation of religion and cut away parts that they feel are outdated or incorrect. Most religeous people I know take it as more of a philosophy.Poop-Loops said:Name a religion that doesn't make objective claims about the universe or reality.
Sorry, ID has been around since long before 1987. Just because some religeous nuts want to use it for propaganda doesn't mean they now own it and define it. By that rationale New Agers have posthumously changed Schrodinger's mind about quantum physics and his cat in the box idea was really predicting the observer created universe.Loops said:Sorry, that's not true, on both counts.
TheStatutoryApe said:Sorry, ID has been around since long before 1987. Just because some religeous nuts want to use it for propaganda doesn't mean they now own it and define it. By that rationale New Agers have posthumously changed Schrodinger's mind about quantum physics and his cat in the box idea was really predicting the observer created universe.
TheStatutoryApe said:Anyone can have their own interpretation of religion and cut away parts that they feel are outdated or incorrect. Most religeous people I know take it as more of a philosophy.
To some whose world view does not revolve around others stigmas yes.Loops said:Does that mean the Swastika still stands for good fortune?
But does it contradict science? Someone's belief in an extra "non-science" dimension to reality doesn't necessarily contradict our observations of the scientificly explainable universe does it? And like MathIsHard there are people who believe that perhaps god is expressed in that which is scientificly explainable.Loops said:At that point it stops being relevant to reality.
TheStatutoryApe said:But does it contradict science? Someone's belief in an extra "non-science" dimension to reality doesn't necessarily contradict our observations of the scientificly explainable universe does it? And like MathIsHard there are people who believe that perhaps god is expressed in that which is scientificly explainable.
So let's not get this thread locked...Please do not debate the religious types or opinions of others. This is purely for collection of data for my paper, and is not intended to be a contestation of any sort.
~christina~ said:But I want to be a scientist but I still believe in "god"
Daniel Y. said:In general, the results of other surveys tend to have 20-30% Atheistic (but as low as around 5%), 60% theistic (very roughly speaking), and about 10-20% Agnostic. I ran a survey in my high school - but it turned out rather unusable, considering many participants didn't even know what Agnostic meant (a good lesson which taught me to define my terms).
Organized religion is definitely a bad thing I'd say
DaveC426913 said:Not to single out Poop-Loops but this thread is morphing from a discussion of beliefs across the population to personal opinions on religion and is heading towards religion-bashing.
The OP did ask that "Please do not debate the religious types or opinions of others."
Methinks this thread is headed for the Lock-ness Monster.
DaveC426913 said:Not to single out Poop-Loops but this thread is morphing from a discussion of beliefs across the population to personal opinions on religion and is heading towards religion-bashing.
The OP did ask that "Please do not debate the religious types or opinions of others."
Methinks this thread is headed for the Lock-ness Monster.
Ivan Seeking said:In fact I might argue that people prone to pure logic are also prone to extreme bias in regards to problems that cannot be solved with logic. It seems to me that some people have a need to either explain, or to reject a claim, with very little neutral ground.
morphism said:From the OP:
So let's not get this thread locked...
As for the poll, I picked Agnostic. I don't know if there is a god out there, but I believe even if there were one, that it wouldn't really care if we acknowledged its existence, i.e. I find the notion of a deity that requires worship to be absurd. Maybe this makes me an atheist?
Astronuc said:The first choice should have been theistic rather than religious because one can be religious without being theistic. Given the three definitions, I would have preferred a 4th choice - none of the above, or uncommitted.
What about removing loaded or misintertpretable words and simply having your options as:Daniel Y. said:From what I've seen from reading the replies to the thread, some individuals find the three options provided to be insufficient to describe their belief. How could I better word my surveys/the options to get more accurate responses
vanesch said:"if it doesn't have a solution, then it isn't a problem" (les shadoks http://www.lesshadoks.com/index2.php?page=3)
DaveC426913 said:What about removing loaded or misintertpretable words and simply having your options as:
a] believe in a superpnatural presence
b] believe there is not a supernatural presence
c] believe the jury is still out
DaveC426913 said:What about removing loaded or misintertpretable words and simply having your options as:
a] believe in a superpnatural presence
b] believe there is not a supernatural presence
c] believe the jury is still out
BobG said:People will think the survey is asking them if they believe in ghosts.
I suggest that we start a poll to see if the poll should be changed.Moonbear said:Yeah, supernatural brings in a whole 'nother group of potential responses beyond "deities."
Perhaps a better phrasing might be:
a) believe in a deity or deities.
b) believe there is/are no deity/deities
c) none of the above
(C would include the agnostics and atheists who will claim they have no beliefs in any direction, A makes no presumption of religiosity associated with the beliefs, and B should cover the atheists who have rejected belief in a deity (not all atheists are the same "flavor").
Evo said:I suggest that we start a poll to see if the poll should be changed.
Table 1 Comparison of survey answers among "greater" scientists
Belief in personal God 1914 1933 1998
Personal belief 27.7 15 7.0
Personal disbelief 52.7 68 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.9 17 20.8
Belief in human immortality 1914 1933 1998
Personal belief 35.2 18 7.9
Personal disbelief 25.4 53 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 43.7 29 23.3
NoTime said:I suggest poll on creating a committee to study the advisability of starting a new poll to see if the poll should be changed.
Gokul43201 said:Note: Some columns don't add up to 100. I don't know what the deal is with that.
Had to? Why? What was the event?Cyrus said:The other day I had to say the pledge of allegiance.