What are the final velocities of two balls after a head-on elastic collision?

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The problem involves a head-on elastic collision between two balls, one moving and one at rest. The original poster is tasked with determining the final velocities of both balls after the collision, using principles of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation laws but expresses confusion about the next steps and the relevance of angles in the problem. Some participants suggest focusing on the total kinetic energy and momentum without needing to consider angles, while others clarify that angles would only be relevant if the second ball were initially moving in a different direction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and clarifications. There is a recognition that the problem can be approached as a system of equations with two unknowns. However, there is no explicit consensus on the necessity of considering angles or components in this specific scenario.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is uncertain about whether to treat the collision as one-dimensional or two-dimensional, leading to questions about the use of angles in the analysis. The problem does not specify any angles, adding to the confusion.

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Problem:
"A ball with the mass of .440 kg moving east (+x direction) with a speed of 3.70 m/s collides head-on with a .220 kg ball at rest. If the collision is perfectly elastic, what will be the speed and direction of each object after the collision?

Relevant equations.

Conservation of momentum:

m* vi of b1 + m* vi of b2= m* vf of b1 + m* vi of b2

and conservation of kinetic energy...

1/2mvf^2= 1/2 mvi^2

Attempt at Solution:

.440(3.70) + .220(0)= .440(vf1) + .220(vf2)

1.63= .44(vf1) + .220(Vf2)

and then...

1/2 (.440)(3.7^2)= 1/2 (.440)(Vf^2) + 1/2(.220)(vf^2)

3.01= " "

**** Where do I go from here? Also, do I have to use the component form (as in, momentum of initial x component= momentum of final x component), etc? What about angles? I'm so confused because I feel like I should be using angles if its 2-D collisions, but none are given in the problem and I'm not sure if they'll go off a 90 degree angle or not?
 
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You are quite close actually. Here are a couple of hints.

1. Re angles, think of playing pool and using the cue ball for an absolute straight in shot to the pocket

2. Re kinetic energy, you need to consider the total kinetic energy of the system before and after the collision

:smile:
 
thank you very much!

so does that mean I don't consider components or angles at all?

since there are two unknowns in each equation, do I simply solve for one say in the kinetic equation then substitute it back into my conservation of momentum?

and when do you consider angles? i thought this was 2-D motion and that's when angles have to be taken into account, but maybe I'm wrong?
 
Well, if it had been labeled 1D you wouldn't need to think as much! :smile: Actually, can't distance + time be considered 2D?

The clue to me was that the 2nd ball was at rest. If it had been initially moving in a direction that was non-colinear with the direction of the 1st ball, then angles would be involved.

Yep, I see this as a 2-equation in 2-unknown problem.
 

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