What are the magnetic states of nucleons?

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the magnetic states of nucleons, particularly focusing on the limits of excited magnetic momentum, the implications of nucleon spin, and the potential for increasing magnetic fields through nuclear spin. Participants explore concepts related to quantum mechanics, nuclear states, and the construction of a machine for experimentation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is possible to achieve excited magnetic momentum in nucleons to the extent that it could lead to nuclear explosion or gamma generation.
  • One participant suggests that exciting nucleons would increase their spin, but only in accordance with quantum values.
  • Another participant clarifies that the concept of spin in quantum systems differs from classical interpretations, implying that classical limits like light speed do not apply to nucleons.
  • There is a proposal to investigate whether it is possible to increase the magnetic field due to the spin of the nucleus, referencing Nuclear Magnetic Resonance (NMR) as a related phenomenon.
  • Participants discuss the nature of nucleon spins, noting that while all nucleons have spin 1/2, nuclei can exhibit higher spins.
  • One participant expresses interest in building a small fusion reactor and inquires about the existence of excited state tables for various nuclei, including their magnetic moments.
  • There are references to theories regarding electron spin and classical rotation, with some participants expressing skepticism about the validity of certain sources and theories presented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the implications of nucleon spin and the validity of certain theories about electron behavior.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific theoretical frameworks that may not be universally accepted, and there are unresolved questions about the nature of spin and its implications for nuclear physics.

Javier Lopez
Messages
74
Reaction score
3
Could I have hundred times the ground state or there is a limit?
Is there a limit for excited magnetic momentum that if reached the nucleous explode or generate gammas?

I suppose If I excite it it would spin faster but proportional to quantum values. Note: there is a "theory" to avoid electron surface reaching light speed limit
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The notion of spin in a quantum system is not the same as a classical system. Hence the notion of the electron reaching light speed doesn’t apply in this case.

Susskind’s Theoretical Minimum series has a book on QM that might clarify the spin part.

Closing thread.
 
@Javier Lopez asks:
I only need to know if is possible to increase the magnetic field due spin of nucleus. I suppose yes because NMR exists.
Perhaps, @Astronuc can comment on this.
 
Perhaps I will need help to buid the machine (I am sorry because the writting of the first post)
 
All nucleons have spin 1/2. There are hadrons with a higher spin but they are different particles. Nuclei can have higher spin.

NMR doesn't change the absolute spin, it just aligns the spin of many nuclei.
Javier Lopez said:
Note: there is a "theory" to avoid electron surface reaching light speed limit
What?
 
Javier Lopez said:
Could I have hundred times the ground state or there is a limit?
Is there a limit for excited magnetic momentum that if reached the nucleous explode or generate gammas?

I suppose If I excite it it would spin faster but proportional to quantum values. Note: there is a "theory" to avoid electron surface reaching light speed limit
Nuclear states are usually excited by neutrons, gammas, or high energy particles.
Here is a discussion of nuclear energy levels - http://www2.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/teachersguide/pdf/Chap06.pdf
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Javier Lopez

Note: there is a "theory" to avoid electron surface reaching light speed limit
What?
Here is the classical theory that says that electron rotation violates speed light 137 times:
<< Unacceptable source deleted by the Mentors >>
Here is the theory explained in a simple manner that says that proton spin is real but electron not (I do not know if this theory is true or not, only I found it):
<< Unacceptable source deleted by the Mentors >>
What machine are you building?
I am building a small fusion reactor
It is a pity it is needed MeV particles to excite nucleons

Exist excited state tables with MeV and magnetic moments for protons, litium6, beryllium9 and 11 boron?
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Javier Lopez said:
Here is the classical theory that says that electron rotation violates speed light 137 times:
http://www.electronspin.org/1.htm
It would violate the laws of physics if the spin would come from a classical rotation. It does not.
Javier Lopez said:
Here is the theory explained in a simple manner that says that proton spin is real but electron not (I do not know if this theory is true or not, only I found it):
http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~kcy05t/spin.html
That website is full of nonsense.
 
  • #10
Thread closed for moderation.
 
  • #11
Due to unacceptable sources, this thread will stay locked. Thank you to those who tried to help the OP.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
4K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
989
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K