What are the possible values of the determinant of an orthogonal matrix?

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The discussion revolves around determining the possible values of the determinant of an orthogonal matrix, exploring definitions, properties, and mathematical relationships related to orthogonal matrices.

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  • One participant inquires about the possible values of the determinant of an orthogonal matrix.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the definition of an orthogonal matrix, suggesting that the vectors are orthogonal and have a dot product of zero.
  • It is noted that the transpose of an orthogonal matrix is its inverse, but uncertainty remains on how to apply this to find the determinant values.
  • A participant proposes taking the determinant of the equation M^TM=I, leading to the assertion that det(M^TM)=det(I), which equals 1.
  • There is confusion expressed about how det(M^TM) relates to det(M), with a participant affirming that det(M^t) = det(M).
  • Another participant mentions the theorem det(AB) = det(A)det(B) as potentially relevant to the discussion.

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The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and uncertainties regarding the properties of determinants of orthogonal matrices, and no consensus is reached on the specific values of the determinant.

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Participants express confusion over the relationship between the determinants of products of matrices and their individual determinants, indicating a need for further clarification on these mathematical properties.

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Hi I had a final today and one of the questions was

find all the possible values of det Q if Q is a orthogonal matrix

I m still wondering how would I do this? Any ideas?
 
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What is the definition of an orthogonal matrix?
 
well i guess the vectors which make up the matrix are orthogonal and so have a dot product of 0?

and the transpose of an orthogonal matrix is its inverse


but I am not sure how to use this to find out all values of the determinant
 
Ok, so you know the transpose of an orthogonal matrix is its inverse. So, we have M^TM=I. Now, let's take the determinant of this; det(M^TM)=det(I). I presume you know what the right hand side is equal to. Now, what can one say about the relationship between the determinant of a matrix, and the determinant of its transpose?
 
but how is the determinant of(M^TM) = det(M)

if M is a orthogonal matrix




by the way since you said det (i) its 1..right?

and I do know the det(M^t) = det (M)

but det (M^tM) = 1 and I am not understanding how that is = det (M)
 
salman213 said:
and I do know the det(M^t) = det (M)

but det (M^tM) = 1 and I am not understanding how that is = det (M)

Right, so putting these two facts together we have det(M2)=1. Can you find det(M) from this expression?
 
hmmm...salman213 perhaps this is the theorem you want

det(AB) = det(A)det(B)
 
oh okk..cool..thanks
 

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