What are the properties of ideals in a commutative ring with identity 1?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of ideals in a commutative ring with identity 1, specifically focusing on the operations A+B, AB, and A:B defined for ideals A and B. Participants are examining whether these operations can represent all ideals of the ring or if they merely exhibit properties of ideals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem asking to show that A+B, AB, and A:B are all ideals of R.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that these operations represent all ideals of R, suggesting that they generally do not and questioning the formulation of AB.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction regarding the formulation of AB and proposes that the focus might instead be on whether these operations represent all properties of ideals.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on what is meant by "representing all the properties of ideals," emphasizing that if these operations have all properties of ideals, then they are indeed ideals, but this does not imply that they encompass all ideals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that A+B, AB, and A:B do not represent all ideals of R. However, there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of whether these operations can represent all properties of ideals.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and properties of the operations A+B, AB, and A:B, particularly concerning the formulation of AB and the implications of these operations in relation to ideals.

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Alright, I need some help with this problem (mainly just to get started):
Let A and B be ideals of R, such that:
A+B={a+b / a in A ,b in B}
AB={aibi / ai in A , bi in B}
A:B={x in R / xb in A} are all ideals of R
Show that A+B, AB, and A:B are ALL the ideals of R, where R is a commutative ring with identity 1.


Thanks guys
 
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This doesn't make sense. There's no reason to believe that those things will be all the ideals of R. In fact, in general they won't be. Are you sure the problem isn't to simply verify that A+B, AB and A:B are ideals? In which case there's still a problem: what you wrote down for "AB" isn't good - it won't be an ideal in general. Should there be a summation sign before aibi?
 
Yes you are right there should be a summation sign before aibi, that was my bad. But I have been working with someone else on this problem and we came to the conclusion that, your right, they cannot possibly represent all the ideals of R. But is it possible that they represent all the properties of ideals in general? I think that may have been the problem; to show that they represent all the properties of ideals.
 
What do you mean by "they represent all the properties of ideals".

If they have all the properties of ideals then they are ideals and that is what morphism supposed in his reply...that the taks might be to prove that A+B etc are ideals.
This does not mean of course that there are no other ideals...
 

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