What are the Rules for Math-Sci-Tech Trivia, Part V?

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The discussion revolves around a trivia game focused on mathematics, science, and technology, featuring a series of questions that participants attempt to answer. The scope includes historical references, notable figures, and scientific concepts, with an emphasis on engaging participants in a playful yet intellectual manner.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants discuss the significance of the phrase "Who ordered that?" in physics, with some attributing it to Rabi and the muon.
  • There is a claim that a box labeled Costa Cider contained Einstein's brain, which is confirmed by another participant.
  • One participant suggests that the event Pliny the Elder observed was the eruption of Vesuvius, while another agrees but acknowledges that someone else answered first.
  • There is speculation about the identity of "X" in a quote, with guesses including Schwinger and Oppenheimer, though some participants express uncertainty about their choices.
  • Participants engage in light banter about the rules of the trivia game, including the restriction on "smart-ass responses" for certain questions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on some answers, such as the significance of Einstein's brain in the jars, but there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding other questions, particularly the identity of "X" and the event observed by Pliny. Multiple competing views remain on these topics.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to specific historical events and figures, but the accuracy of claims about identities and events remains unresolved, with participants expressing varying degrees of confidence in their answers.

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Individuals interested in trivia related to physics, mathematics, and historical scientific figures may find this discussion engaging.

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The Rules

#1. No Googling until I announce a free-for-all,
#2. No more than 2 answers per person until the free-for-all

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Please read the rules
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The Questions

1. Trivial question to get started. If [itex]4 \times 5=12~,~~4 \times 6=13~,...[/itex] then [itex]4 \times 13=?[/itex]2. For decades, a box labeled Costa Cider sat under the sink in the home of a pathologist. This box contained a pair of large jars. What is the significance of these jars?3. My favorite Roman scholar, Pliny the Elder, was in charge of the naval fleet stationed near Naples, when a rare event occurred. In his eagerness to observe the phenomenon, Pliny took some ships and headed towards it. However, curiosity killed the cat and Pliny died that day.

What was the event?4. Upon his divorce and his wife's subsequent marriage, he had this to say: "Had she taken a bullfighter I would have understood, but an ordinary chemist…"

Who said this?5. What is the special significance of the phrase "Who ordered that?" to the field of physics? (I'm looking for the name of a person and a thing.)6. What is common to the Burnet moths, tobacco smoke, and cherry pits (no smart-ass responses)?7. Former US President, James Garfield remained in his deathbed for over two months, after being shot, in July 1881. Given the medical capability of the time and the risk involved, White House surgeons were extremely reluctant to operate on the President without a good knowledge of the location of the bullet.

While in Boston, Alexander Graham Bell heard about this and suggested that perhaps his own invention was just the thing for this problem. The White House accepted Bell's offer, and using his invention, he tried to help the White House surgeons. Despite several successful trials prior to this (on injured soldiers), he failed with the President. (Garfield died in September that year.)

This invention was an early prototype of what? And why did Bell's attempt fail?8. What is considered to be the first successful bombing by unmanned airborne drones?9. This element was discovered by German chemists who were looking for traces of thallium in samples of zinc ores. A brilliant bluish-violet line in the sample's spectrum revealed the existence of the new element.

Name the element.10. And finally, this is about one of my favorite people. What follows is a quote.

There was, of course, X. He came down from Y to consult a little bit, to help us if we had some problems. We had a meeting with him, and I had been doing some calculations and gotten some results. The calculations were so elaborate it was very difficult. Now usually, I was this expert at this; I could always tell you what the answer was going to look like, or when I got it I could explain why. But this thing was so complicated I couldn't explain why it was like that.

So I told X I was doing this problem, and I started to describe the results. He said,
"Wait, before you tell me the result, let me think. It's going to come out like this (he was right), and it's going to come out like this because of so and so. And there's a perfectly obvious explanation for this --"

He was doing what I was supposed to be good at, ten times better. That was quite a lesson to me.


Who is X? (No points for identifying the narrator.)

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Note: Quotes may be translations from another language.
 
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5. What is the special significance of the phrase "Who ordered that?" to the field of physics? (I'm looking for the name of a person and a thing.)

Rabi; muon.
 
Gokul43201 said:
no smart-ass responses
Sorry dude; that let's me out.
 
George Jones said:
5. What is the special significance of the phrase "Who ordered that?" to the field of physics? (I'm looking for the name of a person and a thing.)

Rabi; muon.
Correct, George. (story to be filled in later)

I edited the OP (perhaps just after you started reading it) to allow 2 answers per person. Just letting you know, in case you missed that.
 
2. For decades, a box labeled Costa Cider sat under the sink in the home of a pathologist. This box contained a pair of large jars. What is the significance of these jars?

I think I remember this. The jars contained Einstein's brain?
 
Math Is Hard said:
2. For decades, a box labeled Costa Cider sat under the sink in the home of a pathologist. This box contained a pair of large jars. What is the significance of these jars?

I think I remember this. The jars contained Einstein's brain?
Correct. There was a thread about this here a while back, no?

Wow, this is going fast.
 
Gokul43201 said:
Just letting you know, in case you missed that.

Thanks. OK, not 100% sure, but I'll say

10. X = Schwinger
 
10) The narrator is Feynman i think, and i think he's talking about Oppenheimer?
 
Gokul43201 said:
Correct. There was a thread about this here a while back, no?
I believe there was. That reminds me I need to order "Driving Mr. Albert" for summer reading.
 
  • #10
George Jones said:
OK, not 100% sure, but I'll say

10. X = Schwinger
Nope, not Schwinger. I never thought of Schwinger as the guy with the physical picture; more of the math genius type. And though Schwinger had a nice car (a '64 Iso Rivolta, with license plate number 137 :biggrin: ) I don't know enough about him that he'd make my list of favorite people.

The 1964 Rivolta

http://www.bigeasydave.com/images/revoltaside-thumb.jpg

That's the end of your quota, for now George.

MIH has a spare (unless she's used it while I've been typing this).
 
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  • #11
Math Is Hard said:
I think I remember this. The jars contained Einstein's brain?
There! See! A perfect moonshine response on the tip of my typing finger, and I'm not allowed to use it!
This thread sucks. :-p
 
  • #12
3trQN said:
10) The narrator is Feynman i think,
Good guess (as I imagine, did George as well). Yes, it is.
and i think he's talking about Oppenheimer?
Not Oppie. It looks like you've got the right time-frame in mind as well, but at that time, if I'm not mistaken, they both (O & F) worked at the same place.
 
  • #13
Danger said:
There! See! A perfect moonshine response on the tip of my typing finger, and I'm not allowed to use it!
Hey, I didn't disallow smart-ass answers for all questions - only the specific one.

Say, could you pour me some of that moonshine you've got there on the tips of your fingers?
 
  • #14
Now that we know for sure that Y = Feynman, I'll tell the story behind my guess.

Already at Los Alamos, Feynman had a reputation as a good lecturer. I think that there's a story similar to your story, but with "calculations" replaced by "lectures," and with X = Schwinger. This led me to believe that maybe they talked about calculations.

Schwinger was an amazing lecturer.
 
  • #15
Gokul43201 said:
Say, could you pour me some of that moonshine you've got there on the tips of your fingers?

I'm trying to relate this to Supertramp, and the best I can do is "Which Sister are you talking about?"
 
  • #16
Gokul43201 said:
The Rules

#1. No Googling until I announce a free-for-all,
#2. No more than 2 answers per person until the free-for-all

------------------------
Please read the rules
------------------------

3. My favorite Roman scholar, Pliny the Elder, was in charge of the naval fleet stationed near Naples, when a rare event occurred. In his eagerness to observe the phenomenon, Pliny took some ships and headed towards it. However, curiosity killed the cat and Pliny died that day.

What was the event?

I *think* I know that one..Wasn't it the eruption of the Vesuvius which led to the destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum?

And I knew the "Who ordered that?" one (being a particle physicist)!
But George got it first.
 
  • #17
Gokul43201 said:
4. Upon his divorce and his wife's subsequent marriage, he had this to say: "Had she taken a bullfighter I would have understood, but an ordinary chemist…"

Was this Pauli?
 
  • #18
Gokul43201 said:
The Rules

#1. No Googling until I announce a free-for-all,
#2. No more than 2 answers per person until the free-for-all

------------------------
Please read the rules
------------------------

10. And finally, this is about one of my favorite people. What follows is a quote.

There was, of course, X. He came down from Y to consult a little bit, to help us if we had some problems. We had a meeting with him, and I had been doing some calculations and gotten some results. The calculations were so elaborate it was very difficult. Now usually, I was this expert at this; I could always tell you what the answer was going to look like, or when I got it I could explain why. But this thing was so complicated I couldn't explain why it was like that.

So I told X I was doing this problem, and I started to describe the results. He said,
"Wait, before you tell me the result, let me think. It's going to come out like this (he was right), and it's going to come out like this because of so and so. And there's a perfectly obvious explanation for this --"

He was doing what I was supposed to be good at, ten times better. That was quite a lesson to me.


Who is X? (No points for identifying the narrator.)

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Note: Quotes may be translations from another language.

I would think that X is Hans Bethe!
 
  • #19
I think X is Fermi. If i can recall from the book, Surely you're Joking, Mr Feynman.
 
  • #20
nrqed said:
I *think* I know that one..Wasn't it the eruption of the Vesuvius which led to the destruction of Pompeii and Herculaneum?

And I knew the "Who ordered that?" one (being a particle physicist)!
But George got it first.
Yup! Vesuvius, it was, alright.

Speaking of hooch, one of the reasons I like Pliny the Elder was for his famous hangover cure - owl's eggs. Works like a charm (or so they say, regular eggs do it for me). :biggrin:
 
  • #21
Omega_6 said:
Was this Pauli?
Pauli is correct. Who else would have the gall to some something like that?

Pauli also casually made statements like "I don't like Solid State physics, though I invented it" - I think he said this to Weisskopf in their first meeting. This was when Pauli had just accepted Weisskopf as a postdoc(?), and the first thing he tells Weisskopf is something like "I wanted Bethe, but Bethe now works in Solid State physics, so I settled for you."
 
  • #22
nrqed said:
I would think that X is Hans Bethe!
No. See below.

Cyclovenom said:
I think X is Fermi. If i can recall from the book, Surely you're Joking, Mr Feynman.
Correct. And that was my source for the quote.
 
  • #23
Well, I'm not so sure about the moth, but based on the other two choices, I'm going to guess for #6 that they all contain cyanide.

I'm going to contest the answer to #2 though...I know for a fact that that's where we put the pickle jars with tribdog's testicles after The Suggestion Box closed. :biggrin: (That's what you get for only forbidding smart ass answers on one question.)
 
  • #24
  • #25
Moonbear said:
tribdog's testicles
Aren't those just a myth, like the Golden Fleece? So far, there seems to be no evidence that they actually exist.
 
  • #26
#7 Metal Detector. It failed because the bed that the president was on had metal in it (it was an early prototype of a box-spring matress, I believe).

When I took the second semester of US History our teacher told us this story :smile:
 
  • #27
Danger said:
Aren't those just a myth, like the Golden Fleece? So far, there seems to be no evidence that they actually exist.
Now, he'd expect something like that from the sisters, but from you? Ouch! :smile: Anyway, we know they exist. We keep them in the jar right next to the pickled onions and pickled squirrel heads.
 
  • #28
mattmns said:
#7 Metal Detector. It failed because the bed that the president was on had metal in it (it was an early prototype of a box-spring matress, I believe).
Nice.

I meant for the metal detector to be the early prototype, but nevertheless, you have it.

When I took the second semester of US History our teacher told us this story :smile:
The things they have to do to make you pay attention during class, eh? But it is a pretty neat story!
 
  • #29
#1 4x13=20
 
  • #30
1.) 20 (twenty)
 

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