What are the Thermodynamic Processes for a Monoatomic Ideal Gas?

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The discussion revolves around a cyclic thermodynamic process involving a monoatomic ideal gas, consisting of three distinct segments: an isochoric process, an adiabatic process, and an unknown process. The original poster seeks to determine the heat transfer and work done during each segment, as well as the change in internal energy.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between pressure, volume, and internal energy across the three processes. Questions arise regarding the determination of heat transfer and work for the unknown process, as well as the plotting of data on a PV curve.

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Some participants have confirmed their calculations for changes in internal energy for the first two processes, while others are exploring the implications of the unknown process. There is a suggestion that the unknown process may be isobaric based on the conditions described.

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Participants note the absence of specific data for plotting the PV curve, which may limit the analysis. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the calculations for the third segment of the process.

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Homework Statement



A Cyclic proces of three parts for a monoatomic idealgas:

1-2:
Isochor, where:
p2 = 2*p1
v2 = v1

2-3:
Adiabatic, from v2 = v3, where:
v3 > v2
p3 = p1

3-1:
unknow proces, where
v4 = v1
p4 = p1

My problem is to determine
Q1, Q2, Q3 and W1, W2, W3 and dU1, dU2, dU3

I can't find U3, W3

Homework Equations


dU1 + dU2 + dU3 = 0

W1 = 0, dU = Q (isochor)
Q2 = 0, dU = -W (adiabatic)

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm really lost on the part finding Q3, W3
:(
 
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Have you determined dU1 and dU2?
 
yes i have
 
And is the data plotted on a PV curve?
 
Nope, i don't have that information.
 
lesodk said:
A Cyclic proces of three parts for a monoatomic idealgas:

1-2:
Isochor, where:
p2 = 2*p1
v2 = v1

2-3:
Adiabatic, from v2 = v3, where:
v3 > v2
p3 = p1

3-1:
unknow proces, where
v4 = v1
p4 = p1
Shouldn't these two values be v3 and p3?
 
my point is just that after v3 and p3, you go back to the initial place v1 and p1.
Thats what i mean by 3-1.
 
lesodk said:
my point is just that after v3 and p3, you go back to the initial place v1 and p1.
Thats what i mean by 3-1.
Yes but note that p3 = p1, therefore this third 'unknown process' (3-1) is isobaric.
 

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