What Are the Velocities of Protons After a 10GeV Elastic Collision?

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The problem involves an elastic collision between two protons, where one proton has a kinetic energy of 10 GeV and the other is at rest. The scenario includes the calculation of the velocities of both protons after the collision, with one proton deflecting at a 45-degree angle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply relativistic equations to find the velocities of the protons but expresses uncertainty about their correctness. Some participants suggest using gamma factors and four-momentum algebra as alternative approaches, questioning the original poster's setup and equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the use of gamma factors and suggesting a potentially simpler method involving four-momentum algebra. There is no explicit consensus yet on the best approach or resolution of the problem.

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The original poster indicates confusion regarding the application of gamma factors in their calculations and seeks clarification on the equations involved in four-momentum algebra.

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Homework Statement


a proton with kinetic energy 10GeV collides with a proton at rest. 1 proton goes off with an angle of 45 degrees relative to the incoming proton. Find the velocity of both protons after the collison. This is an ellastic collision.
E(initial) = 938 mev
i honestly don't know where to start off but here's my attempts at a answer

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution


E=(MC^2)/(1-(v/c)^2)^1/2

V/c= (1-((mc^2)/(E^2)))^1/2 V= .99632c


V= v1 cos (30) + v2 cos(theta)
v1 sin (30) + v2 sin (theta)
E = E1 + E2
10.938 gev = .938 gev/ (1-(v1/c)^2))^1/2 + .938gev/(1-(v2/c)^2)^1/2
substitute and get the answer v1 is .00458
and v2 is .49780
however these answers don't work when put back into the equations..
 
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You forgot the gamma factors in the conservation of momentum equations.
 
Also, you can solve the problem more easily using four-momentum algebra. You then only have to deal with one equation for hte energy of one proton after the collision, you don't have to consider a simultaneous set of equations for the energies and momenta of the two protons after the collision.
 
four momentum algebra..? can u start me off with the equations?
and also where have i missed the gamma..? because i can't seem to find it ..? unless my equations are wrong.
 

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