What Are Tidal Forces and How Do They Affect Different Bodies?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of tidal forces, exploring their nature, effects on different body masses, and the underlying principles in both Newtonian gravity and general relativity. Participants seek clarification and explanations regarding how tidal forces operate on extended bodies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about tidal forces and requests explanations or resources for better understanding.
  • Another participant explains that in Newtonian gravity, tidal forces arise from the gradient in gravitational acceleration, leading to deformation in extended bodies due to differing forces acting on different parts.
  • A later reply elaborates on the concept by using the example of a rod, indicating that the end closer to a gravitational source experiences a greater force, resulting in tension within the rod to maintain uniform acceleration.
  • Some participants reiterate the explanation of how different parts of an extended body experience varying forces due to their positions relative to the gravity-causing object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of tidal forces and their effects on extended bodies, but the discussion remains exploratory without a definitive consensus on all aspects of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the elasticity of bodies and the specific conditions under which tidal forces are discussed remain unaddressed, leaving room for further exploration of the topic.

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Hi,

I'm not sure if I'm at the right place to write this message, so please excuse me if I'm not.

I have read a bit about tidal forces, but I still don’t understand what they are, how they act on different body masses, etc. So, I thought I could find answers here. I would greatly appreciate it if someone could refer me to a good link about the subject or, if you want, explain it to me.

Thanks a lot

Happy holidays
 
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In Newtonian gravity, tidal forces are the gradient in the gravitational acceleration. An extended body which is kind of elastic and undergoes a gravitational field with a gradient will not feel the same weight per unit of mass everywhere, and hence will undergo a deformation (as clearly the total force per unit of mass must be identical if the body is not to be ripped apart, hence there must be mechanical tensions in the body).

In general relativity, tidal forces are all there is to gravity.
 
Thanks for the answer!
 
my two cents:

if you have an extended body, some part of the body experiences slightly different force due to the slight difference of position to the gravity causing object. Let's say if you have a rod, the end closer to the Earth will experience a greater force than the end farther away from the earth.

In the frame of that accelerating rod, the end farther away from the Earth will accelerate more slowly. In order for that end to "catch" up (so that the rod doesn't fall apart), there must be a tension in the rod to make up for the difference so that the different parts of the rod accelerate uniformly.
 
tim_lou said:
my two cents:

if you have an extended body, some part of the body experiences slightly different force due to the slight difference of position to the gravity causing object. Let's say if you have a rod, the end closer to the Earth will experience a greater force than the end farther away from the earth.

In the frame of that accelerating rod, the end farther away from the Earth will accelerate more slowly. In order for that end to "catch" up (so that the rod doesn't fall apart), there must be a tension in the rod to make up for the difference so that the different parts of the rod accelerate uniformly.

Yes, that's it, exactly :approve:
 

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