What are we waiting for to get into space?

  • Thread starter Thread starter ManDay
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Space
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the perceived slow progress of humanity in space exploration, particularly regarding missions to Mars and the Moon. Participants express concerns about priorities, funding, and the role of both government and private sectors in advancing space travel. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, practical challenges, and speculative future scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why humanity is not more ambitious in pursuing space exploration, citing potential threats like comets and the need for terraforming Mars.
  • Others highlight the high costs associated with sending missions to Mars and the uncertainty about the survival of bacterial cultures in Martian conditions.
  • One participant argues that sufficient knowledge exists about Mars to attempt experiments with bacteria, suggesting that current missions are overly focused on mineral analysis.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of funding and prioritization of space exploration compared to other societal issues, such as military spending.
  • Some participants note that NASA's control over space missions may hinder progress, while others suggest that privatization could lead to more rapid development.
  • There is skepticism about the private sector's involvement in interplanetary travel, with some arguing it will only occur after government investment establishes the viability of commercial opportunities.
  • Participants express confusion over the lengthy timeline for returning to the Moon, questioning why it is taking decades since the first landing in 1969.
  • Some argue that robots are more efficient for space exploration, suggesting that technological advancements could make future human missions more practical.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the motivations, funding, and methods of space exploration. There is a mix of opinions on the role of government versus private sector involvement and the urgency of returning to the Moon or exploring Mars.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying assumptions about technological capabilities, the definition of priorities in space exploration, and the economic feasibility of missions. The discussion reflects differing perspectives on the balance between human and robotic exploration.

  • #31
ManDay said:
Why are we sending one rover after another to mars, instead of sending some bacterial cultures and see how they perform and how eligible they appear for the purpose of terraforming.
Whoa there! Do you know the extreme efforts the world's space agencies undertake to ensure that any vehicle that goes to Mars is completely sterile? We do not yet know if native life exists on Mars. If Mars does harbor life, Earth-based life might well be a threat to Mars-based life. Until we know that Mars truly is sterile, the space agencies make sure that whatever is sent there is sterile. If we do find Mars does harbor life, that will be the death nell of any planned human missions to Mars and of any discussions (let alone planning) of terraforming Mars.


WarPhalange said:
I'm just confused why it's taking so long to go back to the Moon. 2020 is their projected date? I mean, that's super for me because I'll be out of grad school with a Ph.D. and begging NASA to let me be an astronaut, but if we did it in 1969 (and no arguments here, we did), what's taking so long to go back?
Money. NASA received 10% of the federal budget in the 1960s. Today, it receives 0.6% of the federal budget. With the recent financial collapse, NASA's share is bound to shrink even further. You do the math.


Integral said:
At this point in time manned space travel is a waste of valuable resources. Until we have the capability of launching and recovering spacecraft with 100% success rates why should we put a man at risk?
That argument is ludicrous. There is no such thing as a 100% success rate in any worthwhile endeavor. Until we have the capability to drive to work with 100% success rates, why should we put ourselves at risk going to work?

Some risks are worth taking. Most decision makers in this country are still of the opinion that putting people into space with a very good but not perfect success rate is one of them.

There is much that can be done robotically, we need to continue exploration, while developing reliable rocketry and systems.
There is little reason to do things robotically in space if we do not intend to put people into space. If the goal is to get the most bang for the buck out of the government's science expenditures, spending money on space science is a losing proposition. The scientific returns from robotic space exploration are tiny compared to the costs.

One country has made the decision to ban any government-funded participation in human spaceflight activities. The ban was instigated by anti-human spaceflight space scientists. Soon after the ban, that country's unmanned space budget dwindled, and dwindled, and dwindled. Today, Great Britain's space budget is a paltry $350 million per year, most of which is shipped out of the country to ESA. There are very, very few space scientists left in Great Britain.
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
  • #32
  • #33
WarPhalange said:
Yeah, but we did it. And now we want to go back again and we are taking 2 decades to do it.

Time scales are relative. On average, it's 10's of millions of years between catastrophic asteroid impacts, or longer.

2 decades is pretty quick, in comparison.
 

Similar threads

Replies
12
Views
4K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
6K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
6K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
4K