What benefits do bacteria on your skin provide?

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The discussion revolves around the benefits of bacteria present on human skin, exploring their roles in health and disease, as well as the implications of hygiene practices. Participants examine various aspects of skin microbiota, including their potential protective effects against conditions like acne and the hygiene hypothesis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the human skin hosts approximately one trillion bacteria, which may offer health benefits rather than solely causing disease.
  • One participant references a study suggesting that certain strains of bacteria on the skin may help prevent acne by outcompeting harmful strains.
  • Concerns are raised about the common belief that reducing all bacteria on the skin is beneficial, with some arguing that beneficial bacteria are essential for skin health.
  • Another participant mentions the hygiene hypothesis, suggesting that exposure to certain microbes may be necessary for a healthy immune response.
  • Some participants caution that while skin bacteria are generally harmless, they can cause serious infections if they enter the body through cuts.
  • There is speculation about the transmission of beneficial bacteria between individuals through close physical contact, with references to the colonization of gut flora in infants during birth.
  • Participants discuss the implications of sterilization practices, questioning whether it is more effective to sterilize wounds rather than the skin as a whole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the role of skin bacteria, with some supporting the idea that they are beneficial and others highlighting potential risks associated with their presence. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the balance between maintaining beneficial bacteria and preventing infections.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of "beneficial" and "harmful" bacteria, as well as the conditions under which bacteria may become pathogenic. The conversation also reflects varying assumptions about hygiene practices and their effects on skin microbiota.

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Wikipedia suggests a typical human has ~ one trillion bacteria on their skin. That’s orders of magnitude more than a cell phone and many many orders of magnitude more than a toilet seat.

They typically don't cause disease and may offer benefits. It kind of bothers me that there’s this common belief that microbes are bad and the more sterile our skin is, the healthier we will be. There seems to be a push to reduce bacteria of all kinds on our skin.

Here’s one example I know of regarding beneficial bacteria and acne. This is from Science:

When [the researchers] sequenced the genomes of each strain and compared them, they discovered that two of the strains, RT4 and RT5, were found predominantly in people with acne—and that one strain, RT6, was found almost exclusively in people with clear skin. Because this "good" strain contains genes known to fight off bacterial viruses and other potentially harmful microbes, the researchers suspect that it may actively ward off the "bad" strains that are associated with disease, thereby keeping skin healthy.

"Just like good strains of bacteria in yogurt, for example, are good for the gut, these good strains of P. acnes could be good for the skin," says Li, whose team reports the findings today in the Journal of Investigative Dermatology.

Maybe if you have acne, you should rub faces with someone with healthy skin. Preferably someone of the opposite sex.

Anyway, I bet there are a lot of benefits to having the right bacteria on your body. Wikipedia states that most bacteria are in the epidermis or hair follicles so perhaps they are difficult to wash off. Hopefully the good bacteria don’t get destroyed by that anti-bacterial stuff in those dispensers, but I don’t know.

Not too sure where I’m going with this but I’d be interested in comments, especially around the benefits these bacteria have on our skin and our health in general. What bacteria are they and what benefits can they provide?
 
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My nephew send me this regarding dirty dogs. I guess these examples are all part of the larger hygiene hypothesis. I’m sure there must be numerous examples of studies out there like this.
 
Skin bacteria are OK as long as they stay on your skin. In some people, if skin bacteria get inside the body thru a cut in the skin, they can develop some nasty diseases, like necrotising fasciitis, or flesh-eating disease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis

The bacteria responsible for this disease are quite benign as long as they remain on, not in, the skin.
 
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Hi SteamKing,
SteamKing said:
Skin bacteria are OK as long as they stay on your skin. In some people, if skin bacteria get inside the body thru a cut in the skin, they can develop some nasty diseases, like necrotising fasciitis, or flesh-eating disease.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis

The bacteria responsible for this disease are quite benign as long as they remain on, not in, the skin.
There are problems of course with cuts to the skin and harmful bacteria getting inside. We don't need to invoke flesh eating bacteria to see the problem with infections, only that the body has a reaction to bacteria that enter our bodies that way. Sterilizing our environment and our skin might help to get rid of these bacteria, but wouldn't it be better to steralize the area of the wound instead? I think the point is that we need various types of bacteria both on our skin and in our gut to remain healthy.
 
Enigman said:
I had to laugh a bit at that first one, but it brings up a point about couples or any group of people in close physical contact. I would suspect that there's a need to 'swap' these good bacteria between people and I wonder if the most likely way that happens is through close, physical contact. I've heard something about gut bacteria being transmitted to babies on birth - the reason god put the playground and the septic tank so close together.

The gastrointestinal tract of a normal fetus is sterile. During birth and rapidly thereafter, bacteria from the mother and the surrounding environment colonize the infant's gut. Immediately after vaginal delivery, babies may have bacterial strains derived from the mothers' feces in the upper gastrointestinal tract.[25] Infants born by caesarean section may also be exposed to their mothers' microflora, but the initial exposure is most likely to be from the surrounding environment such as the air, other infants, and the nursing staff, which serve as vectors for transfer.[26] The primary gut flora in infants born by caesarean delivery may be disturbed for up to six months after birth, whereas vaginally born infants take up to one month for their intestinal microflora to be well established.[27] After birth, environmental, oral and cutaneous bacteria are readily transferred from the mother to the infant through suckling, kissing, and caressing.
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora#Acquisition_of_gut_flora_in_human_infants
 
Q_Goest said:
Hi SteamKing,

There are problems of course with cuts to the skin and harmful bacteria getting inside. We don't need to invoke flesh eating bacteria to see the problem with infections, only that the body has a reaction to bacteria that enter our bodies that way. Sterilizing our environment and our skin might help to get rid of these bacteria, but wouldn't it be better to steralize the area of the wound instead? I think the point is that we need various types of bacteria both on our skin and in our gut to remain healthy.

No one disputes this. However, sterilization is not always 100% effective. I'm just pointing out that even beneficial bacteria can be harmful when, for whatever reason, they wind up out of place in the body.
 
Q_Goest said:
I had to laugh a bit at that first one, but it brings up a point about couples or any group of people in close physical contact. I would suspect that there's a need to 'swap' these good bacteria between people and I wonder if the most likely way that happens is through close, physical contact. I've heard something about gut bacteria being transmitted to babies on birth - the reason god put the playground and the septic tank so close together.


Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora#Acquisition_of_gut_flora_in_human_infants
Left unsaid is how this happens during vaginal birth. LOL

Women almost always defecate during labor as their ability to control their anal sphincter is severely compromised and completely overwhelmed by their concentrated effort to push the baby out.

As a result no matter how hard attendants try to keep the environment neat and tidy by the time the baby is born he or she will get a sufficient dose to ensure proper colonic colonization.

Considering most pediatricians know this, I'm sure only cursory efforts are made to tidy things up during a labor to ensure a baby gets properly dosed.
 

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