What Can You Do to Stop the Cruelty of Fur?

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The discussion revolves around the ethical implications of fur use, particularly in light of graphic footage depicting animal cruelty. Participants express a range of opinions on fur, leather, and animal welfare, exploring the morality of using animal products and the role of organizations like PETA in these debates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express disgust at graphic footage of animal cruelty, calling for action against fur use.
  • Others share personal views on fur, with one participant stating that women in fur coats appear unappealing to them.
  • There are claims that the discussion may reflect anti-Chinese sentiments rather than a focus solely on fur.
  • Some participants argue that traditional fur use should be respected, while others question the morality of such practices.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of discussing graphic content in the forum.
  • Participants debate the ethics of wool production, with some arguing it is humane and necessary for sheep welfare, while others criticize PETA's stance on animal products.
  • There are mixed feelings about leather use, with some participants suggesting that as long as the killing is humane, using animal products is acceptable.
  • Some participants share personal anecdotes about animal care and the benefits of wool, contrasting it with fur.
  • Discussions about the environmental impact of wool versus synthetic materials are also present, with some arguing wool is more eco-friendly.
  • There is a suggestion that the links to the graphic footage should be reinstated for a more informed discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of views on fur and animal products, with no clear consensus reached. Disagreements exist regarding the ethics of fur and wool, the role of PETA, and the appropriateness of graphic content in discussions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their statements regarding animal welfare and the potential for being banned from the forum for discussing sensitive topics.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in animal rights, ethical consumption, and the environmental impact of animal products may find this discussion relevant.

  • #31
Seriously, what's wrong with fur?

>Is a lion ripping apart the innards of a gazelle not considered "cruelty" ?
>Or sharks tearing some herring in half not considered "cruelty" ? (so much for the "fish are friends not food" slogan)
>Why not show videos of those acts, and possibly run the "stop all carnivores" campaign?

*Edit: Alright, the "ethics" or "morality" of these acts (when humans are the carnivores in consideration?)
may well vary depending on the possible individual ethical contexts. Personally, I am rather Darwinian...
 
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  • #32
The PETA people don't get it. We humans are omnivores, and we evolved to eat a mix of vegetables, meats, etc. The food necessary for survival was obtained by hunting and gathering. Until the advent of agriculture, it may have been impossible for humans to get adequate protein from a plant-only diet.

I hunt deer, and I do it humanely, with a single-shot rifle and I will not take a shot unless it's a sure kill. The PETA people would probably call me a monster, but I feel a whole lot better eating meat from an animal that has spent its whole life in the wild, instead of eating beef from an animal that may never have been properly pastured with fresh green grass and water.

My wife and I buy Black Angus beef from a local farm that supplies plentiful pasture-space to their herd, with streams running through them, and farm-ponds to hold water in dry times. The cattle not only have fresh grass and water - they also get grain supplements and their pastures have plenty of trees so that they can find shade on hot days. This is a small family farm, and they are very conscientious and proud of the way they treat their animals. The quality of their free-range chickens beats anything you can get in a store. They had other projects going last summer (including expanding their huge strawberry fields) so they didn't raise chickens last summer. (Very sad!:cry:)
 
  • #33
Math Is Hard said:
I never wear fur. It's so passe. To me, women in fur coats look like hookers.
Agreed. I much prefer leather (for men and women).
 
  • #34
russ_watters said:
Agreed. I much prefer leather (for men and women).
Well, rides on the Softail generally involve sturdy leather boots and tough leather jacket for myself and my wife. Never been down since I gave up the hot 2-strokes, but if it ever happens, I want leather between me and the asphalt.
 
  • #35
For me, warmth trumps appearance for coats anyway. Turn the fur coat inside-out, and maybe I'll be happier with the result. I agree with MIH too that fur coats just look tacky, and ironically, cheap. But that's just aesthetics for me.
 
  • #36
What about down? If PETA were to succeed in banning fur (unlikely), then leather, then wool, wouldn't goose down be next? If they try to take away my sleeping bags and mountain coats, it's war!
 
  • #37
Er, I think some people miss the point- it's the treatment of animals- perhaps the tread title is misleading- ok it IS misleading.
 
  • #38
_Mayday_ said:
Can hookers afford real fur? I just thought it was Rapper Pimps hoes who managed to get the fur and still live a hooker like lifestyle.

LOL! Do you know of any other job that pays between 100-1000 dollars an hour? at least that's what I heard. Not admitting to anything here.
 
  • #39
So should we also take a stand against silk? Any idea how many millions cacoons are boiled alive in the process?
 
  • #40
Andre said:
So should we also take a stand against silk? Any idea how many millions cacoons are boiled alive in the process?

none. they aren't alive in first place. the little worms inside are a different story
 
  • #41
Andre said:
So should we also take a stand against silk? Any idea how many millions cacoons are boiled alive in the process?

Yeah, caterpillars are cute and fuzzy too! :biggrin: The distinctions seem rather arbitrary, don't they? How do they think those poor soybean plants feel as they are having their ovaries ripped out without anesthetic just so the vegans can have tofu.
 
  • #42
russ_watters said:
Agreed. I much prefer leather (for men and women).

Agreed.

http://www.mtv.com/news/images/archive/Village_People/sq-village-people-leather-uni.gif

tribdog said:
LOL! Do you know of any other job that pays between 100-1000 dollars an hour? at least that's what I heard. Not admitting to anything here.

I've never heard of anything worse to waste your money on. They have never stiked me as particularily well off to be honest, maybe they spend their money on other things.
 
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  • #43
Everybody sing...! It's fun to stay at the YMCA...!
 

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