What caused the Quadruple Rainbow?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of a quadruple rainbow observed in New York, exploring potential causes and related optical effects. Participants share personal experiences with rainbows, including supernumerary rainbows, and reference external sources for further information.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the quadruple rainbow may consist of a double rainbow with a reflection, particularly noting the conditions of sunrise or sunset.
  • One participant proposes that the Long Island Sound could have reflected sunlight, contributing to the observed phenomenon.
  • Another participant shares a personal experience with supernumerary rainbows, indicating they are often seen in the Rocky Mountains and expressing surprise at their rarity.
  • Discussion includes a reference to the wave nature of light and the explanation of supernumerary rainbows, which cannot be explained by classical geometric optics.
  • A participant questions the classification of circumhorizontal arcs as rainbows, expressing confusion over their inclusion in rainbow-related discussions.

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Participants express various viewpoints regarding the nature of the quadruple rainbow and related phenomena, with no consensus reached on the exact causes or classifications of the observed effects.

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Some claims rely on personal observations and experiences, while others reference external sources. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the classification of certain optical phenomena.

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I've done this synthetically, in the past.
I've never seen a natural set before.
Photo of quadruple rainbow in New York colors the Internet awestruck
quad.rainbow.2015.04.21.jpg

Amanda Curtis has created an Internet sensation with this photo she took that features four -- count 'em, four -- rainbows.

I wonder what caused the second set. A lake?
 
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The photo makes it look like a double rainbow with a reflection rainbow. Wikipedia has a nice article on rainbows. Many years ago I saw what I now realize was a supernumerary rainbow in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. I had never seen one before and have never seen one since. But I still remember how awesome it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow
 
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Yep - looks to be a double rainbow, with a reflected one, taken near sunrise/set. IIRC I photographed a simpler one a decade ago; single and a reflected single that came off the ocean.

Edit: Found the slide film, popped on the monitor and photographed; it was a double and a fainter reflected double.
 

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After a bit of research, it had to have been the Long Island Sound that reflected the sunlight.

Glen.Cove.LIRR.station.jpg


The yellow pin is where Amanda was standing, and she was looking in the direction of the arrow.

Glen Cove LIRR station on Long Island, NY: 40.865189°N 73.616976°W
photo capture: 4/21/2015 6:30 am
 
Subductionzon said:
The photo makes it look like a double rainbow with a reflection rainbow. Wikipedia has a nice article on rainbows. Many years ago I saw what I now realize was a supernumerary rainbow in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. I had never seen one before and have never seen one since. But I still remember how awesome it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow
I live in Colorado near the Rockies and see supernumerary rainbows often, typically two to four at a time. I never realized that they were rare!
 
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marcusl said:
I live in Colorado near the Rockies and see supernumerary rainbows often, typically two to four at a time. I never realized that they were rare!

I went back and re-read the entry on "Supernumerary rainbows". That is really interesting.

It is not possible to explain their existence using classical geometric optics. The alternating faint rainbows are caused by interference between rays of light following slightly different paths with slightly varying lengths within the raindrops.
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Supernumerary rainbows are clearest when raindrops are small and of uniform size. The very existence of supernumerary rainbows was historically a first indication of the wave nature of light, and the first explanation was provided by Thomas Young in 1804.

I did not know that.

Here's an interesting simulation I just found, showing the effect with the required droplet size:
(The slider they mention, is the inverted skinny grey triangle to the right of the image)

Supernumeraries & Drop Size
 
Today, my last Facebook friend from work, posted the following, having taken the picture about 2 hours ago:

horizontal.rainbow.taken.about.4.pm.from.Oak.Grove.Oregon.jpg


Like her, it really had me puzzled.
So I went through the wiki entry on Rainbows, and found the following:

Circumhorizontal arc

... In its full form, the arc has the appearance of a large, brightly spectrum-coloured band running parallel to the horizon, located below the Sun...

The misleading term "fire rainbow" is sometimes used to describe this phenomenon, although it is neither a rainbow, nor related in any way to fire. The term, apparently coined in 2006,[3] may originate in the occasional appearance of the arc as "flames" in the sky, when it occurs in fragmentary cirrus clouds.
...

Not a rainbow? pfft!
If it's not a rainbow, then what's it doing in the "Rainbow" section?
Answer me that, wiki...
 

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