What Causes Coning in Axisymmetric Bodies?

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of coning in axisymmetric bodies, exploring the forces and moments that cause this rotation. Participants examine theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and external influences, with a focus on both rigid body dynamics and hydrodynamic perspectives.

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  • One participant questions the inherent reasons for rotation in axisymmetric objects, suggesting that gyroscopic stability must be externally imparted.
  • Another participant presents Euler's equations for rigid bodies, highlighting the coupling terms that lead to precession and nutation, indicating complex interactions between rotational axes.
  • A participant requests further information on external forces from a hydrodynamic perspective that contribute to rotation, specifically asking about influences beyond the Munk moment.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the question, clarifying their initial focus on stand-alone objects like projectiles.

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Participants express differing views on the causes of coning, with some emphasizing external influences while others focus on internal dynamics described by mathematical models. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical formulations and external forces, but lacks consensus on the primary causes of coning and the role of various forces involved.

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axisymmetric bodies tend to rotate on its own axis while moving which is know as coning. why does it occur ? what are the forces which making it rotate ? what is the reason for this turning moment(coning) ??
 
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Your question confuses me greatly. Unless we have a bit of a language barrier, there is no inherent reason that an axisymmetric object will rotate. That's why we have rifling cut into gun barrels and the fletching on arrows attached at an angle and why a quarterback has to twist his wrist when throwing a pigskin. Gyroscopic stability must be imparted from without.
 
Consider Euler's equations for a rigid body with a body-fixed reference frame aligned with the principal axes of inertia:
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> I_1\dot{\omega}_1 + \underline{(I_3 - I_2)\omega_2\omega_3} &= L_1 \\<br /> I_2\dot{\omega}_2 + \underline{(I_1 - I_3)\omega_3\omega_1} &= L_2 \\<br /> I_3\dot{\omega}_3 + \underline{(I_2 - I_1)\omega_1\omega_2} &= L_3<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]
(More generally, [itex]\dot{\boldsymbol{h}}_\mathrm{c} = \boldsymbol{L}_\mathrm{c}[/itex])
Note the underlined coupling terms. These cause rotation/moments about one axis to affect the other two. This is why rotation results in precession and nutation.
 
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Obviously, I am the one who had a language barrier with the question. I was thinking only of stand-alone objects (particularly projectiles) when I posted my rather premature response. Sorry.
 
jhae2.718 said:
Consider Euler's equations for a rigid body with a body-fixed reference frame aligned with the principal axes of inertia:
[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> I_1\dot{\omega}_1 + \underline{(I_3 - I_2)\omega_2\omega_3} &= L_1 \\<br /> I_2\dot{\omega}_2 + \underline{(I_1 - I_3)\omega_3\omega_1} &= L_2 \\<br /> I_3\dot{\omega}_3 + \underline{(I_2 - I_1)\omega_1\omega_2} &= L_3<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]
(More generally, [itex]\dot{\boldsymbol{h}}_\mathrm{c} = \boldsymbol{L}_\mathrm{c}[/itex])
Note the underlined coupling terms. These cause rotation/moments about one axis to affect the other two. This is why rotation results in precession and nutation.

thank you.. the riddle is half solved for me.. can you give me some more information regarding the external forces in hydrodynamics point of view, that are acting on axisymmetric body which causes rotation about its axis? apart from munk moment.

thank you..
 

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