What Causes Patterns in Water Droplets with Sound Waves?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of patterns formed in water droplets when sound waves are projected onto them. Participants explore the terminology associated with this effect and its scientific basis, while also addressing the surrounding misconceptions and pseudo-scientific claims.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants identify the patterns as Chladni figures or Chladni patterns, suggesting a connection to Bessel functions.
  • One participant notes the historical context of Chladni and mentions Thomas Hooke's earlier contributions to the technique.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of certain claims made in popular explanations, labeling them as pseudo-scientific and questioning their relevance to the discussion.
  • Concerns are raised about the prevalence of "crackpottery" surrounding Chladni figures, with some participants suggesting that such ideas arise from a desire for simpler explanations rather than rigorous scientific understanding.
  • There is a mention of a specific claim regarding general relativity being flawed due to misunderstanding, which is used to illustrate the nature of crackpot theories.
  • One participant emphasizes their interest in the aesthetic aspect of the water patterns rather than the surrounding controversies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identification of the patterns as Chladni figures, but there is significant disagreement regarding the validity of various claims and the presence of pseudo-scientific interpretations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these claims.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express concerns about the influence of unscientific narratives on the understanding of Chladni figures, highlighting the tension between aesthetic appreciation and scientific rigor. There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions and implications of the discussed phenomena.

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I've linked the exact time for your convenience. Sound waves or something is projected into a water droplet that causes it to create awesome looking patterns. What is this effect called? Thanks.

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Chladni figures or Chladni patterns. Also related to the Bessel functions if I remember correctly.
 
Megaquark said:
Chladni figures or Chladni patterns. Also related to the Bessel functions if I remember correctly.

Yep. Chladni was an eighteenth century musician. Thomas Hooke invented the technique in the 17th century.

Chladni also seems to have been the first to suggest that meteorites were extraterrestrial in origin.
 
iDimension said:
I've linked the exact time for your convenience. Sound waves or something is projected into a water droplet that causes it to create awesome looking patterns. What is this effect called? Thanks.
Sorry, but that narrator's woo-hoo about vibrational thought and vibrational emotion is nothing more than pseudo-scientific nonsense. "We are holding a vibratory pattern in the liquid crystal of our bodies." What the heck is he talking about?! He's just making stuff up as he goes.

[Edit: his off-the-cuff claim about Earth's "base pulse" of 7.8 cycles per second is probably referring to the Schumann resonance. It's true that that also involves standing waves. But beyond that, how it fits into any other of his extravagant word-salad is beyond me.]

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Chladni patterns are real phenomenon and are well understood though. Here is a better video on them.

 
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A lot of crackpottery surrounds Chladni figures. I think that this is the result of curious people who want to understand the world but can't deal with real science. So they settle for something that is simple and aesthetically pleasing. They are never going to use it for any practical purpose, so it doesn't really matter whether it's wrong.

I read some thing where the guy claimed that general relativity was fatally flawed. What was the flaw? That the guy couldn't understand it. So he made up something that he could understand. Whatever. Who knows? Maybe in the year 2321 we'll find out there was something to these intuitions.
 
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What was the flaw? That the guy couldn't understand it. So he made up something that he could understand.
That's pretty much all crackpottery in a nutshell.
 
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I wasn't interested in the whole religious nonsense he was talking about with the pictures of jesus in the background. I simply wanted to know what the effect was called because when it's done with water it looks pretty cool
 
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The Op's question has been answered and we don't discuss crackpottery, so the the thread is closed.
 
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