What Causes the Doppler Shift John Experiences?

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The discussion revolves around the Doppler effect as experienced by John while listening to a horn. The original poster presents a series of statements regarding the conditions under which the frequency of sound changes, specifically focusing on the scenario where John hears a frequency of 270 Hz instead of the known 300 Hz when both are at rest.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the correctness of various statements related to the Doppler effect, questioning the implications of movement for both John and the horn. There is discussion about whether both can be moving and the conditions under which the frequency shift occurs.

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Participants are actively clarifying the correctness of statements and exploring the implications of different scenarios. Some guidance is provided regarding the conditions necessary for the Doppler shift to occur, particularly concerning relative motion.

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There seems to be confusion regarding the wording of the statements and the assumptions about the motion of John and the horn. The discussion highlights the need for clear definitions of movement and its impact on perceived frequency.

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John is listening to a horn. He knows the frequency of the horn is 300 Hz when both he and the horn are at rest. If he hears a pitch of 270 Hz, there are clearly several possibilities. For each of the following statements, indicate whether it is correct or incorrect.

Correct Incorrect Both can be moving and have different speeds.
Correct Both can be moving, in opposite directions.
Correct Incorrect John is moving away from the horn at rest.
Correct Incorrect Both can be moving in the same direction at the same speed.
Incorrect The distance between John and the horn is decreasing with time.
Correct Both can be moving and have the same speed.

These are the answers i put, could anyone help me as where I am going wrong
 
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asl3589 said:
Correct Incorrect Both can be moving and have different speeds.
Correct Both can be moving, in opposite directions.
Correct Incorrect John is moving away from the horn at rest.
Correct Incorrect Both can be moving in the same direction at the same speed.
Incorrect The distance between John and the horn is decreasing with time.
Correct Both can be moving and have the same speed.

Why did you put both correct and incorrect for some of them?
 
sorry its supposed to be

Correct Both can be moving and have different speeds.
Correct Both can be moving, in opposite directions.
Correct John is moving away from the horn at rest.
Correct Both can be moving in the same direction at the same speed.
Incorrect The distance between John and the horn is decreasing with time.
Correct Both can be moving and have the same speed.
 
asl3589 said:
Correct Both can be moving and have different speeds.
Correct Both can be moving, in opposite directions.

Right.

Correct John is moving away from the horn at rest.

I'm confused by the wording. The horn certainly doesn't have to be at rest, but John does have to be moving away from the horn.

Correct Both can be moving in the same direction at the same speed.

If they're both moving in the same direction at the same speed, there would be no Doppler shift. (Do you understand why?)


Incorrect The distance between John and the horn is decreasing with time.
Correct Both can be moving and have the same speed.

Right.
 

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