What CM frame to take in this case?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter physciencer
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Frame
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the appropriate center of mass (CM) frame to consider in the context of an electron-positron interaction that leads to the production of a Higgs boson and subsequent decay into fermions. The scope includes theoretical considerations of particle interactions and conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the CM frame for the decay process involving an electron-positron pair and a Higgs boson.
  • Another participant asserts that the CM frame is defined as the frame where the total spatial momentum is zero, providing a mathematical representation of the four-momentum conservation.
  • A third participant challenges the premise by stating that neither an electron nor a positron can decay into a Higgs boson, suggesting that Higgs production requires high-energy collisions rather than direct decay.
  • A later reply acknowledges the possibility of producing a Higgs boson in high-energy collisions and seeks clarification on finding invariants related to the process.
  • One participant asks for further details on which invariants are of interest in the context of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the feasibility of an electron-positron pair decaying directly into a Higgs boson, with some asserting that such a decay is unlikely while others suggest it can occur under specific conditions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about particle interactions and the conditions under which a Higgs boson can be produced, which may not be universally accepted. The mathematical steps related to invariants remain unresolved.

physciencer
Messages
23
Reaction score
0
If an electron-positron is decaying into Higgs and then from Higgs into fermions. What is CM frame in this case?

Let us say that electron has momentum $$p_{e^-}=p_1$$ The positron has a momentum $$p_{e^+}=p_2$$ The fermion has momentum $$ p_{f} = q_1$$ and the other one has momentum $$p_{\bar{f}}=q_2$$
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The CM frame is always the same, i.e. the one where the total spatial momentum is zero. In this frame you have that the initial e+e- pair have total four-momentum ##p_1+p_2=(E_1+E_2, \vec{0})##. However, by conservation of four-momentum it must also be ##q_1+q_2=(E_1^\prime+E_2^\prime, \vec{0})##.
 
physciencer said:
If an electron-positron is decaying into Higgs
That does not make sense - neither the electron nor the positron can decay to a Higgs, and a combined object (positronium) cannot do either.

You can produce a Higgs in a high-energetic collision of electrons and positrons, but the direct production (a Higgs and nothing else) is very unlikely due to the small mass of the particles.
 
SO yes that is what I meant, that you can produce a Higgs in that way. If so, then the CM is how @Einj posted, no?

@Einj, how would I find invariants in this case?
 
It depends on what invariants you want to find. What do you have in mind?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
4K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
5K