What Compounds Form When Every Element Is Combined in a Box?

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The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of placing one atom of every element in its elemental form into a box and exploring the resulting compounds that may form. The scope includes theoretical considerations of chemical reactions, potential compounds, and the complexities involved in such a scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while the scenario is intriguing, it may be impossible to gather all atoms without some reacting beforehand.
  • One participant proposes using 1 mole of each element instead of 1 atom to facilitate observation of reactions.
  • Another participant notes that starting positions of the atoms are crucial as they influence which reactions occur, leading to specific compounds forming.
  • Examples of likely compounds mentioned include LiF, NaCl, KBr, BeO, and MgS, based on stability considerations.
  • A different perspective suggests that the question could be reframed to focus on the lowest energy way of combining one atom of each element, which might yield a more definitive answer.
  • One participant argues that the question is fundamentally silly and unanswerable, citing the vast number of possible compounds that could form, even under simplified assumptions.
  • A personal anecdote is shared about mixing chemicals as a child, reflecting a playful approach to chemistry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with some acknowledging the complexity and potential impossibility of the scenario while others propose methods to approach the question. No consensus is reached on the feasibility or the outcomes of the proposed scenario.

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Limitations include the dependence on initial conditions and the vast number of possible reactions that could occur, complicating any definitive conclusions about the resulting compounds.

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If you were to put 1 atom every element in its elemental form in a box, what would be the resulting compounds?

1.) I know it's probably impossible.
2.) I don't mean highly radioactive elements (transuranium metals, francium, radon, astatine, etc.)
3.) I'm really only talking about some of the more reactive elements-I don't really care what happens 90% of the elements.
4.) If it's possible, don't take into account the starting positions of the atoms.
 
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You mean all atoms - 1 of each element - in ONE box?

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I think the only impossible part about this is getting all the atoms together in the box before some of them start reacting. How about for the sake of observation, you use 1 mole of each element, instead of 1 atom?

This is an interesting question, so I'm a little hesitant to answer since I have a feeling it might be more complicated than I'm thinking. You can't really ignore the starting positions, since that ultimately will determine which reactions occur. A few compounds that come to mind as being likely to form: LiF, NaCl, KBr, BeO, MgS, etc. Obviously the most stable compounds will be the ones left in the end, so this is the basis of my prediction.
 
Perhaps a more tractable way of posing the question is to ask: what is the lowest energy way of combining one atom of each element. The answer is not likely to be easy to find, but at least it will have a single defined answer as opposed to worrying about starting conditions.
 
It's a silly and unanswerable question. Individual atoms (with the exception of noble gases) will typically immediately combine with the first atom they run into. Assuming nothing more complicated than diatomic molecules are formed, that still means over 10,000 possible compounds.
 
This reminds me of when I was a kid and somebody gave me a chemistry set.I got bored by following the experiments in the instruction booklet so I mixed everything together and tried to set it all alight.
 

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