What Defines Basic Intelligence and When Does It Become Unintelligent?

[moving finger]

Is an ant that seeks and retrieves food intelligently doing so or is it simply following it's program. To me ants are very robotic in nature in as much that they appear to follow a simple program of logic. I.e does this taste like food... yes... return to nest with it. The way ants navigate using sunlight and smell isn't something they learn. Is it?

For me, true intelligence is like the character of a person. AN accumulation many smaller factors that build up to form the whole.

Why should intelligence necessarily mean that one is not following an algorithm (program)?

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[superalterego]

Why should intelligence necessarily mean that one is not following an algorithm (program)?

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Simply because we regard ourselves to be more than arteficial intelligence. Are we not "that" and then some.

EDIT: Intelligence creates choice, whereas your algorithmic process merely follows continuity.

 

[moving finger]

Simply because we regard ourselves to be more than arteficial intelligence. Are we not "that" and then some.

It does not follow from this that artificial intelligence is NOT intelligent at all.

EDIT: Intelligence creates choice, whereas your algorithmic process merely follows continuity.

Why do you think intelligence creates choice?

My suggested definition of intelligence :

The ability to successfully find ways to achieve goals by removing or eliminating or overcoming the discrepancies between existing and desired states of affairs.

What does the above have to do with "choice"?

Perhaps you would like to suggest a different definition of intelligence?

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[octelcogopod]

Does an Ant have memories to act upon in the first instance. Once it hatches from the egg, what does it learn? How does it learn? Personally I think it hatches with it's orders and carries them out. I think that the Ant knows how to track and retrieve food from the offset. Just like a human infant knows how to suckle from the offset.

For the physical function of the body, then, yes I agree.

Whether it's an ant, antelope or human. We all have a physical form which I often refer to as "machine" that is fundamentally controlled/operated by the brain just like the modern car engine is computer governed.

All machinery needs a centre of control be it chemical, electrical or otherwise in order to function effectively and orderly i.e not randomly. What sets us apart from the ant is that we have the ability to apply logic that can override the program of instinct ...it's called choice. Is this one part of the brain overriding the other? I don't believe it is. I think it's something else working in conjuntion with the brain.

Besides, we can see the patterns and underlying logic in human behaviour... it's called psychology.

But what I am suggesting, is that everything we regard as choice, and everything that can override the program, is also a part of the program.
The human brain can learn new things, but not in an indeterministic way, there is always another event that triggers the new learning.

Let's take a specific example; John is a human, a normal human, and he has the choice between eating an apple, and a hamburger.
Now, lots of complex stuff happens depending on Johns personality, but it is all in a deterministic way even still.

Maybe the apple is healthier, but the hamburger has that tasty bacon and cheese. He builds the fact that it is healthy on other facts he has learned through life, and through experience he knows that bacon and cheese tastes better.

The ultimate choice he makes depends on something which I do not have the necessary knowledge to explain, but at the most fundamental level it is a matter of whether the switch turns to 1 or 0.
If there was another option, like 3, then this 3 is indeterministic, and has NO fundamental event to trigger it, it just pops out of nowhere.
But then it wouldn't be free will either, because John has no control over 3, but he has control over 1 and 0, those are the options he see, so on an emergent level, in his mind, he has a choice.

And that's what intelligence and conscious choice is about to me, deterministic control over your own options.

That and what MF said, intelligence by itself is problem solving and such.