What Determines the Colour of Compounds?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that determine the color of chemical compounds, particularly focusing on the concepts of complementary colors and absorption spectra. Participants explore how these concepts apply to various compounds and the implications of multiple absorption bands.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the complementary color theory, noting that a compound appears as the complementary color of the wavelength it absorbs, using ferroin as an example.
  • Another participant suggests viewing color as a subtractive mixture of absorbed wavelengths, implying a different perspective on color perception.
  • A participant expresses a shift in understanding from a subtraction model to the complementary color theory, questioning how compounds with multiple significant absorptions are perceived, particularly in the case of ferroin.
  • Examples of azure B and methylene blue are provided to illustrate how absorption spectra can complicate the understanding of color, with methylene blue's absorption leading to a clearer application of the complementary color theory.
  • Concerns are raised about explaining colors like brown or gray, which seem to require mixing colors rather than straightforward absorption, and the nature of black compounds is discussed in terms of varying intensities of absorption.
  • Another participant adds that strongly colored substances tend to reflect the color they absorb best, using potassium permanganate as an example to illustrate this point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind color perception in compounds, with some supporting the complementary color theory while others propose alternative explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best model to explain the color of compounds with multiple absorption bands.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding color perception, particularly in relation to compounds with complex absorption spectra and the implications for colors that do not fit neatly into the complementary color framework.

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I've come across the concept of complementary colours where if a compound absorbs one wavelength then to the eye, it will appear as its complementary colour. Heres a chart of complementary colours:
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so for example if a compound absorbs violet radiation, the compound will appear yellow. In college I did an experiment involving the ferroin (an iron-phenanthroline complex) and determined that its maximum absorption occurs at 511 nm. This observation coincides with this complementary colour theory because 511 nm lands in the cyan region of the visible spectrum and ferroin is orange (cyans complementary colour).

What I don't understand is how does this work when a compound has more than one significant visible absorption? What colour would it appear then? Is it determined by the compounds most intense absorption?
 
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Just look at it as a subtractive mixture of colors who absorb each only at one frequency.
 
I used to think that the colour that we see a compound as is what's left over after all the wavelengths of that compounds absorption spectrum have been subtracted but I've since concluded that this theory is false and that the complimentary colour theory is actually how it works. Ferroin for example. It appears dark orange. Does that mean it absorbs all wavelengths except for a narrow band in the orange/red range? I've seen ferroins absorption spectrum and that's not the case. It actually has a relatively narrow absorption band in the cyan region.

EDIT: Both theories appear to hold for azure B.
[URL]http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/421553239/Azure_B.summ.jpg[/URL]
[URL]http://www.scielo.br/img/revistas/jbchs/v16n5/26457f1.gif[/URL]
as you can see it absorbs most visible wavelengths but doesn't absorb blue and violet very strongly.

Heres methylene blue:
[URL]http://omlc.ogi.edu/spectra/mb/mb-water.gif[/URL]
it only really starts absorbing at 550 nm so there should still be a fair bit of green in there:

http://www.cbu.edu/~seisen/Photosynthesis_files/image001.gif

In this case the complementary colour theory seems to work a lot better: methylene blue has its maximum absorbance in the orange region, oranges complementary colour is blue. Something that can't be explained by complementary colours though is brown or gray compounds. They can only be produced by mixing colours. Even black compounds can't be explained by thinking that they absorb all the wavelengths because there are clearly varying intensities of black. Tar is about the blackest thing I've seen. Potassium permanganate doesn't look as black as tar to me. Now that I think of it, if something were to completely absorb all incident radiation, you wouldn't be able to see it at all, it would appear as a black void lol.
 
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To add to your confusion I'd like to mention that strongly colored substances reflect that color best which they absorb best. That's why KMnO4 crystalls reflect green-yellow light.
 

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