What Determines the Force of a Water Jet on Different Surfaces?

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The discussion revolves around the factors that determine the force exerted by a water jet on different surfaces, specifically comparing a flat plate and a hemispherical cup. It involves theoretical considerations based on conservation of linear momentum and the interpretation of deflection angles in relation to force application.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a theoretical equation for the force exerted by a water jet, highlighting the role of the angle of deflection in determining the force applied by the water.
  • Another participant analyzes the equation, noting that at 90 degrees, the plate does not experience an additional force since the water is deflected vertically, while at 180 degrees, the cup experiences a reaction from the redirected water stream.
  • A further contribution suggests that the plate merely stops the water, whereas the cup redirects it, providing an analogy with a baseball to illustrate the concept.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarifications provided by earlier posts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interpretations of the forces involved with the flat plate and the cup, but the discussion remains exploratory regarding the physical interpretation of the angle of deflection and its implications for force application.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the physical interpretation of forces and deflections, nor does it address potential limitations of the theoretical model presented.

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To experiment with conservation of linear momentum I did lab where a jet of water is shot at a flat plate and a hemispherical cup. After simplification the final equation for the theoretical force came out to be
F_t= \dot{m}V(1-cos \beta)
where \dot{m} is the mass flow rate of water and V is the velocity of water hitting the surface. \beta is the angle at which the water deflects off of the surface. For the flat plate is was 90 and for the cup it was 180. I have a hard time physically interpreting how the angle of deflection determines the force of the water. In both cases the same amount of water is hitting both surfaces with the same velocity at the same angle (which would be vertically upwards in this case). So why does the angle of deflection determine the force applied by the water?
 
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Take a look at the structure of that equation. What happens when Beta is 90 degrees? What happens when it is 180?

Think of this equation as a sum of forces (as that's what it is). The plate resists the force imparted by the incoming water stream and the water is deflected 90 degrees (no horizontal force, since there's no horizontal component to the stream). So, after the water is deflected, there's no additional force for the plate to resist.

With the cup, the surface must first resist the stream (m_dot*V_initial) and then experiences an equal and opposite reaction from the horizontal component of redirected water stream.
 
When the math and intuition agree you are probably getting someplace. At least it's easier to remember the equation when they agree... Nice job there T_K.

Simply put - the plate just stops the water but the cup throws it back.
Imagine a similar experiment measurement with a baseball. Try it yourself in a rocking chair.
 
Excellent explanation, both of you. Thanks you very much for clearing this up for me.
 

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