What Determines the Peak Angular Speed of a Rotating Cylinder?

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The problem involves a cylindrical roller used in a manufacturing process, with a focus on determining its peak angular speed and related quantities. The roller's angular position is given as a function of time, leading to questions about its angular and tangential speeds, as well as the timing of force removal to prevent reversal of rotation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss taking the derivative of the angular position to find angular speed and question how maximum speeds can be reached. There is also exploration of the relationship between angular and tangential velocities.

Discussion Status

Some participants have calculated the derivative of the angular position and identified critical points for angular speed. There is acknowledgment of the need to understand the manufacturing process context, particularly regarding the timing of force removal. Guidance has been provided on the relationship between angular and tangential speeds.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of the roller's motion, including assumptions about acceleration and the conditions under which the roller operates. There is a focus on ensuring clarity around the timing of force removal and the behavior of the roller at different speeds.

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Homework Statement



In a manufacturing process, a large, cylindrical roller is used to flatten material fed beneath it. The diameter of the roller is 1.00 m, and, while being driven into rotation around a fixed axis, its angular position is expressed as

θ =2.50t2 - 0.600t3

where θ is in radians and t is in seconds. (a) Find the maximum angular speed of the roller. (b) What is the maximum tangential speed of a point on the rim of the roller? (c) At what time t should the driving force be removed from the roller so that the roller does not reverse its direction of rotation? (d) Through how many rotations has the roller turned between t=0 and the time found in part (c)?

Homework Equations



I think this has to do with translational and angular quantities. ac=v2/r=rω² might be useful.

For part b, at=rα

The Attempt at a Solution



I took the derivative of the rotational position to get angular speed in terms of t. I know the radius is .5 m. I don't understand how a max speed can be reached, as it would increase indefinitely with time. I don't think I'm grasping the problem. I also don't understand how the roller could reverse its direction. Any help is much appreciated.
 
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Welcome to PF, menglish20! :smile:

In the manufacturing process, the roller would be first accelerated to a max speed and then decelerated to a stop.

You said you calculated the derivative. So what did you get?
You did solve it for being equal to zero?
Note that you're only interested in solutions where t > 0 and the where t is smaller than the time where the angular velocity becomes zero again.
 
Glad to be here :smile:

Right so the derivative would be
ω=5t - 1.8t2
So I solve for that set to zero, and i get t = 0, 2.78.

So I know the time where the velocity peaks is between those times. I'm going to guess that it acts parabolic, so the peak must be the midpoint, so t=1.389 s.
With that, I find vmax=3.47 rad/s

For part c, the driving force should be removed at 2.78s correct? If not I guess I still don't understand what's going on in terms of the manufacturing process.
 
menglish20 said:
Glad to be here :smile:

Right so the derivative would be
ω=5t - 1.8t2
So I solve for that set to zero, and i get t = 0, 2.78.

Good! :smile:

menglish20 said:
So I know the time where the velocity peaks is between those times. I'm going to guess that it acts parabolic, so the peak must be the midpoint, so t=1.389 s.
With that, I find vmax=3.47 rad/s

Actually, you calculated the max angular velocity here.
This is not the tangential velocity.

Edit: Do you know the relation between these two?
Btw, you may have found by now, that the relevant equations you mentioned are not needed in this problem.

menglish20 said:
For part c, the driving force should be removed at 2.78s correct? If not I guess I still don't understand what's going on in terms of the manufacturing process.

Yes! :wink:
At this time the angular velocity is zero, so if the angular acceleration is set to zero, it will remain zero, which is intended.
 
Do you know the relation between these two?
Btw, you may have found by now, that the relevant equations you mentioned are not needed in this problem.

v=rw

So, I'd take .5 * 3.47 = 1.74 m/s.

Then for part d,

θ = 6.43, so the number of rotations would be 1.02.

All these answers match the given solutions, thanks for clarifying this problem!
 
You're welcome! :smile:

And thanks for taking the time to finish this thread and say thanks.
 

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