What Determines the Speed of Gravitational Waves?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the propagation speed of gravitational waves, particularly in the context of general relativity and its implications. Participants explore theoretical aspects, mathematical formulations, and conceptual challenges related to the speed of gravitational waves, comparing it to the speed of light and addressing the nature of spacetime curvature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the wave equations derived from the linear field equations in the Einstein gauge indicate that gravitational waves propagate at light speed due to the absence of a different constant in geometric units.
  • Others question why gravitational waves should only travel at the speed of light, citing phenomena such as light bending near black holes and the complexities of defining speed in curved spacetime.
  • A participant asserts that in general relativity, the only relevant speeds are zero and the speed of light, suggesting that any other speed would contradict the weak field limit.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of time dilation at black holes and the nature of Hawking radiation, with participants seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • One participant discusses the local definition of velocity in curved spacetime, emphasizing that while global measurements may vary, local measurements adhere to Lorentz invariance.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that quantum phenomena, such as entanglement, might not conform to classical notions of speed and distance, raising questions about the relationship between gravity and quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus reached on the nature of gravitational wave propagation speed or the implications of general relativity and quantum mechanics. Disagreements persist regarding the interpretation of speed in curved spacetime and the relationship between gravity and light.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the weak field approximation, the nature of spacetime curvature, and the implications of quantum mechanics on classical physics. There are unresolved questions regarding the proofs of gravitational wave propagation speed and the effects of gravity on measurements.

  • #31
ApplePion said:
Local quantities are perfectly legitimate.

Sure. But you have to measure them locally. That is, you have to be at the location in question. If you measure them "remotely", from some other location, you have to take into account the spacetime curvature between the two locations.
 
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  • #32
I am saying the following: Two observers A and B in curved spacetime at rest w.r.t each other but located at different spacetime points PA and PB will not agree on the velocity of a test body C w.r.t. to e.g. observer A:

vC(w.r.t. A, measured by A = observed from PA) != vC(w.r.t. A, measured by B = observed from PB)

That means the velocity is no longer globally valid. It does not only depend on the velocity of the two reference frames for A and B (wich is well-known from SR), but also on the location of these reference frames (= tangent-spaces) in spacetime.
 

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