What Did Einstein Mean by z is keeping your mouth shut?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of a quote attributed to Einstein regarding the components of success in life, specifically focusing on the meaning of "z" as "keeping your mouth shut." Participants explore various interpretations of this phrase, considering its implications in different contexts, including personal success, modesty, and political caution.

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  • Some participants propose that "z" could mean refraining from discussing results until they are published to avoid losing credit for one's work.
  • Others argue that "z" signifies the importance of modesty and not boasting about one's successes, as it may lead to instability in one's position.
  • A participant suggests that the phrase might reflect the political climate of Einstein's time, where speaking out could lead to negative consequences.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that Einstein's experiences as a pacifist and his public stance on issues like the atomic bomb may have influenced his perspective on the importance of discretion.
  • Some participants humorously note that Einstein himself was not always silent, referencing his numerous quotes.
  • One participant mentions that Einstein's age at the time of the quote might have contributed to his views on the necessity of holding one's tongue for domestic tranquility.
  • A later reply introduces a cultural perspective on modesty, suggesting that interpretations should consider the moral values of the era in which Einstein lived.

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Participants express multiple competing interpretations of "z," indicating that there is no consensus on its meaning. The discussion remains unresolved with various viewpoints presented.

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Some interpretations depend on historical context and personal experiences, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion also highlights the ambiguity of the phrase and the subjective nature of its interpretation.

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by this quote "If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."

i wonder if "z" means "say nobody about your results until they are published" or "work and do not gab on empty"
 
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Or maybe ##z## means that we shouldn't boast in life about our success. The fact is, the point of maxima is always an unstable equilibrium, and it is very easy to fall down from there.

Your explanation:
wrobel said:
say nobody about your results until they are published
could be equally true. There are a large number of examples, especially in particle physics, where a physicist has discussed something with his colleague over the coffee table, and the latter completed the former's work and published it before the former did, thereby getting all the appreciation actually due to the former.
 
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Other reasons he might have said that talking too much draws attention to you if you make politically dangerous comments especially in Germany in the '30's. Sometimes even well meaning comments produce unfavorable.reactions causing one distress. Einstein was a pacifist and publicly denounce the use of the A bomb although he supported its development. This may have been the reason that he was suspected of communist leanings by the US government.
 
He didn't keep his mouth shut... :-D
So many quotes of his...
 
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wrobel said:
by this quote "If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."...

For a pacifist Einstein had remarkable insight into the military. To paraphrase the prototypical sergeant to trainee, "Soldier, shut up and soldier!" or the navy-marine version, "Work your guns, not your jaws." The civilian version might say, "Do not talk your way out of a good job.".
 
How old was he when he said that? If it was later in life, he may have come to see that domestic tranquility sometimes requires holding one's tongue.
 
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gmax137 said:
How old was he when he said that? If it was later in life, he may have come to see that domestic tranquility sometimes requires holding one's tongue.
As per this site, Einstein said the quoted lines in 1929. He was 50 years old then.
 
Btw, he said muse not play.

In my opinion he meant: Let others judge. It's a call for modesty. Any other interpretation ignores in my mind the common system of moral values in 1929.

There is a modern days version of this attitude of modesty, partly meant as sarcasm:
"Bescheidenheit ist eine Zier, weiter kommt man ohne ihr!"
"Modesty is an adornment, farther you get by an announcement!"

However, this wasn't the attitude of gentle people in 1929.
 
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