What distinguishes insulators from dielectrics?

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The discussion revolves around the distinctions between insulators and dielectrics, exploring their definitions, properties, and contexts of use. Participants engage in a technical examination of the terms, considering both fundamental and practical perspectives.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is no difference between insulators and dielectrics.
  • Others argue that while all dielectrics are insulators, not all insulators are referred to as dielectrics, citing examples like Mott insulators.
  • One participant notes that every substance has a dielectric constant, but the term "dielectric" is typically reserved for non-conductive materials used in specific applications, such as capacitors.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes that a good insulator is characterized by low conductivity, whereas a good dielectric is defined by high polarizability.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the clarity of the original question, suggesting it lacks context and may lead to oversimplified answers.
  • There is a recognition that the terms are often used interchangeably in practice, but they refer to different underlying electronic properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the equivalence of insulators and dielectrics, with multiple competing views presented regarding their definitions and properties. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the ambiguity in terminology and the importance of context when discussing materials classified as insulators or dielectrics. Some participants note that the differences may be subtle and often overlooked in practical applications.

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what is the difference between insulators and dielectrics?::confused:
 
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No difference.

Zz.
 
Insulators have there dielectric constant as 1 but if you are talking about a normal dielectric than it could have dielectric constant between 1 and infinity.
 
No difference
they are the same
 
I disagree. it is correct to say that all dielectrics are insulators; but there are insulators that are not (usually) referred to as dielectrics.
A good example would be Mott insulators (I can also think of other examples, e.g. metallic superinsulators).

Note the "usually" above, I have heard of people referring to Mott insulators as dielectrics; but it is pretty uncommon and there is a case for reserving the word "dielectric" for materials which are insulating due to their band structure.
 
From a fundamental point of view, every substance is a dielectric, i.e. it has a dielectric constant, whether conducting or isolating. However, this term is usually used in a technical context, e.g. referring to materials used to build a condenser. In these technical applications, the material shouldn't be conductive, for obvious reasons.
 
f95toli said:
I disagree. it is correct to say that all dielectrics are insulators; but there are insulators that are not (usually) referred to as dielectrics.
A good example would be Mott insulators (I can also think of other examples, e.g. metallic superinsulators).

Note the "usually" above, I have heard of people referring to Mott insulators as dielectrics; but it is pretty uncommon and there is a case for reserving the word "dielectric" for materials which are insulating due to their band structure.

I've given an answer without any context, the same way the OP didn't bother to provide any context to the question. I only thought it is fair, and if the answer appears to be too simplistic and ambiguous, so was the question.

I also highly doubt that the OP has any idea, or that this question is really focusing, on Mott insulators. Speaking of which, Mott insulators ARE dielectrics in the sense that they are also ceramic insulators. We speak of them as being "dielectrics" or "ceramics" or "insulators" interchangeably.

Zz.
 
I also disagree with the equivalence for somewhat pedantic reasons. While the terms are almost always used interchangeably in the field, they refer to different underlying electronic properties. A good insulator is therefore a material with low conductivity while a good dielectric is a material with high polarizability. Of course, a dielectric used in a capacitive role is almost always preferred when it also has lower conductivity.
 
I don't think the question was so focusing to answer as previous answers (make thing complicated) and also he ask about the material that is decrypted as dielectric or insulator and we know that in our lectures we use them interchangeable.
 
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Gokul43201 said:
I also disagree with the equivalence for somewhat pedantic reasons. While the terms are almost always used interchangeably in the field, they refer to different underlying electronic properties. A good insulator is therefore a material with low conductivity while a good dielectric is a material with high polarizability. Of course, a dielectric used in a capacitive role is almost always preferred when it also has lower conductivity.

First: I think this is really the best answer detailing the slight difference.

But isn't a dielectric almost always used in some sort of capacitive role, hence a good one needing a high polarizability?

It seems to me that the difference is almost always unnoticeable and unimportant.
 

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