Charged insulator with electrons throughout its volume?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of creating a negatively-charged insulator with electrons distributed throughout its volume. Participants explore the mechanisms of charge injection, stability concerns, and the properties of insulators in relation to trapped charges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a negatively-charged insulator could be constructed layer by layer by "spraying" electrons onto each layer, questioning whether electrons would be trapped in atomic orbitals within the material.
  • Another participant argues that insulators cannot retain charge for long periods due to their conductive properties, even though they do not conduct well.
  • A different viewpoint mentions that charges can be injected into an insulator using metal contacts and applying a potential, but highlights the limitation imposed by Coulomb repulsion, known as space-charge limiting.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the ability to construct a uniformly charged dielectric in this manner, noting that while it is not fundamentally prohibited, it is an unlikely process. They reference devices like USB sticks that utilize trapped charges, indicating that such charges can be retained for a significant duration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility and stability of creating a uniformly charged insulator, with no consensus reached on the practicality of the proposed methods for charge injection or retention.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of electrons in insulators, the stability of charge under high densities, and the mechanisms of charge injection, which remain unresolved.

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Could one make a negatively-charged insulator with the extra electrons trapped all the way through its volume by building it up layer by layer with electrons "sprayed" onto each layer as it was constructed?

I guess the electrons would be trapped in empty atomic orbitals within the material - is this true?

If the electron density was too high could such a material be mechanically unstable due to the electrostatic forces within it or would the electrons somehow just quantum-mechanically tunnel out of the insulator?
 
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Insulators won’t keep that charge long. They don’t conduct well but we are talking about huge potentials for small charges.

Shooting electrons into an existing material is easier by the way.
 
Charges can be also injected by attaching metal contacts to opposing sides of a sample and applying a potential, as in a capacitor. The ability to inject charges into an insulator is severely limited by mutual Coulomb repulsion between them, however—the effect is called space-charge limiting.
 
I don't think you could 'construct' a uniformly charge dielectric that way. There is no fundamental law that would prohibit that but it is rather unlikely process.
Still, there are devices that operate based on a trapped charge. These are the USB sticks, i.e. memories that can be programmed by injecting a charge into a structure made out of a conductor separated from the sensor by an insulating layer. These charges are trapped for a pretty good time.
 

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