What Do Mathematicians Think of Physicists Cancelling dx?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the mathematical validity of physicists canceling or dividing by differentials such as dx in the context of calculus, particularly in relation to the wave equation. Participants explore the implications of treating differentials as fractions and the perspectives of mathematicians on this practice.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that "dy/dx" is not a fraction in the strict sense, but because it is defined as a limit of fractions, it can be treated as such under certain conditions.
  • Another participant argues that it is mathematically legitimate to divide by dx if the properties of differentials are verified, suggesting that physicists may overlook these checks due to the physical context.
  • A participant raises a caution about dividing by zero, referencing its potential impact on the chain rule proof.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the concept of zero in this context, indicating a lack of clarity on what constitutes a problematic zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the appropriateness of canceling differentials, with some supporting the practice under specific conditions and others expressing caution or confusion regarding its implications.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the existence and properties of differentials, as well as the conditions under which dividing by dx is valid. The discussion also highlights potential misunderstandings about the nature of zero in this mathematical context.

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In some places in physics like proving the wave equation,we see that the physicist divides the equation by dx or \partial x or maybe cancels some of them and then says with a smile:You shouldn't tell a mathematician!
I want to know the ideas of mathematicians about that and want to know why its wrong?
thanks
 
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"dy/dx" is NOT a fraction as defined so "dy" and "dx" are not separate values. However, because it is defined as a limit of fractions, we can always "go back before the limit, use the fraction property, then take the limit again". So "dy/dx" can be treated like a fraction and to make that precise, mathematics defines "differentials", dy and dx, which, while not really the derivative have the property that the derivative, dy/dx, is the fraction "dy" divided by "dx".

It is perfectly legitimate, mathematically, to "divide by dx" provided you have checked all of the properties required to be sure the differentials exist. It is that part that physicists typically play "fast and loose" with, assuming that, since everything has a specific physical meaning, they must exist.
 
The only thing you need to watch out for is dividing by zero(such is the only minor problem with the chain rule proof using dz/dx = dz/dy*dy/dx
 
Skrew said:
The only thing you need to watch out for is dividing by zero(such is the only minor problem with the chain rule proof using dz/dx = dz/dy*dy/dx

I don't understand what could be that zero!
 

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