What do you think of 'Methods of Theoretical Physics' ?

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The discussion revolves around the book 'Methods of Theoretical Physics', specifically focusing on its suitability as an introductory text for mathematical methods in physics, its level of complexity, and its relevance in contemporary studies. Participants also mention alternative texts and their appropriateness for different learning stages.

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  • Some participants question whether 'Methods of Theoretical Physics' is appropriate as a first exposure to mathematical methods, with concerns about its complexity.
  • There is a suggestion that the mathematics in the book is not outdated, but its density may make it unsuitable for beginners.
  • Multiple participants reference the authors Morse and Feshbach, indicating a shared understanding of the book in question.
  • Alternative texts such as Boas' "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences" and S. Hassani's works are proposed, with varying opinions on their suitability for introductory versus advanced study.
  • One participant highlights the importance of knowing specific subjects and levels of understanding to provide better textbook recommendations.
  • Vector calculus is identified as a challenging topic for undergraduates, with suggestions for supplementary resources in theoretical electromagnetism or fluid dynamics.
  • Some participants express appreciation for the detailed responses and the sharing of personal experiences regarding the texts discussed.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of 'Methods of Theoretical Physics' for beginners, with some suggesting it is too advanced while others find it valuable as a reference. There is no consensus on the best introductory text, as multiple competing recommendations are presented.

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Participants mention varying levels of mathematical background and the need for rigorous understanding, which may influence their recommendations. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives on the complexity and utility of the texts mentioned.

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This discussion may be useful for students seeking recommendations for textbooks on mathematical methods in physics, particularly those at the undergraduate level or those transitioning to graduate studies.

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Would you recommend this book as a first exposure to mathematical methods? How high a lever is this book of? Is it out-of-date or still quiet useful?
 
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Most people refer to science book by their author. If you don't mention the author, we have no idea which book you're talking about.
 
You are referring to Morse and Feshbach, no?
 
micromass said:
Most people refer to science book by their author. If you don't mention the author, we have no idea which book you're talking about.
Sorry, I will add the authors
Geofleur said:
You are referring to Morse and Feshbach, no?
Yes, Morse and Feshbach.
Is the book too advanced?
 
The mathematics within is not out of date, but the book is too big and too dense for a first exposure to mathematical methods of theoretical physics.
It's the sort of book you keep dear on a shelf like the MTW of General Relativity or the QM by Albert Messiah.
 
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Boas, "Mathematical Methods in the Physical Sciences." is very commonly suggested here. If you use the SEARCH link at the top of this page to search for "Boas", and tick the box to restrict searches to this forum only, you'll turn up many discussions which include other books, e.g. Arfken.
 
It's one of the best books on the subject ever written. Maybe, it's too advanced for a first encounter with "Mathematical Methods", but it's pretty useful also as a reference work for practitioners. A very good and comprehensive book, including a lot of "culture" besides the pure technical aspects is

S. Hassani, Mathematical Physics, Springer

but it's also pretty advanced. I don't know the book by Boas very well, but it seems to be well received as an introductory textbook. Arfken&Weber seems to be more a reference than a usual textbook, because it's too brief on the proofs.

It's also useful to know, which particular subject(s) you want to learn at which level to give a more informed recommendation on textbooks.
 
vanhees71 said:
It's one of the best books on the subject ever written. Maybe, it's too advanced for a first encounter with "Mathematical Methods", but it's pretty useful also as a reference work for practitioners. A very good and comprehensive book, including a lot of "culture" besides the pure technical aspects is

S. Hassani, Mathematical Physics, Springer

but it's also pretty advanced. I don't know the book by Boas very well, but it seems to be well received as an introductory textbook. Arfken&Weber seems to be more a reference than a usual textbook, because it's too brief on the proofs.

It's also useful to know, which particular subject(s) you want to learn at which level to give a more informed recommendation on textbooks.
Thanks for your detailed reply!

I think I want to learn mathematical methods to a level which will enable me to understand graduate level physics. My current backgrounds are multivariable calculus, linear algebra and a bit of differential equation. I do not have understanding with regard to rigorous mathematics.
 
In my experience the most difficult subject for undergrads is vector calculus (div, grad, curl, and the integral laws by Gauss and Stokes). For this you usually find good summaries in textbooks on theoretical electromagnetism or fluid dynamics. A very good one is found in

A. Sommerfeld, Lectures on Theoretical Physics, vol. II (Fluid Dynamics)

You don't need to learn fluid dynamics to just read and understand this chapter on vector calculus. It's also not mathematically rigoros, but great to learn it for use in theoretical physics.
 
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vanhees71 said:
S. Hassani, Mathematical Physics, Springer

There are two books by Hassani, the more introductory "Mathematical Methods for Students of Physics and Related Fields", and the more advanced "Mathematical Physics: A Modern Introduction to Its Foundations".
 
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I don't know the former book, but if it is as good as the latter on the undergrad level, I'd think its one of the best sources to recommend!
 

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