What does f(t) Subscripted to g(t) Epsilon Mean?

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The discussion revolves around the notation ##f(t) \ll_\epsilon (g(t))^\epsilon##, particularly in the context of the Lindelöf hypothesis and its implications in number theory. Participants explore the meaning of the subscripted epsilon and its relation to Vinogradov notation and Big O notation.

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  • Some participants note that the double less-than symbol typically indicates "much less than," referencing its use in mathematical contexts.
  • There is a suggestion that the subscript ##\epsilon## denotes a small quantity, commonly used in epsilon-delta proofs, but its specific meaning in this context is questioned.
  • One participant mentions that the notation ##\ll_\epsilon## implies that the constant in the Vinogradov notation depends on ##\epsilon##.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the notation, stating that it differs from what is presented in the Wikipedia article on the Lindelöf hypothesis.
  • Some participants propose that the expression indicates a conditional relationship, suggesting that ##f(t)## is small compared to ##g(t)^\epsilon## for suitable values of ##\epsilon##.
  • There is a discussion about whether the condition ##\epsilon > 0## implies ##\epsilon < 1##, with differing opinions on its interpretation in the context of Big O notation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the precise meaning of the notation ##\ll_\epsilon## or the implications of the conditions involving ##\epsilon##. Multiple interpretations and uncertainties remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical concepts and notations, including Vinogradov notation and Big O notation, without resolving the nuances of their application in this specific context.

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What does this mean: ##f(t) \ll_\epsilon (g(t))^\epsilon## ?

Ref: Beginning of the introduction here.
 
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Could you quote that part of the paper?

I couldn't access the researchgate link as it may be a paywall.

Usually the double less than symbols means "much less than"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Less-than_sign

Double less-than sign​

The double less-than sign, <<, may be used for an approximation of the much-less-than sign (≪) or of the opening guillemet («). ASCII does not encode either of these signs, though they are both included in Unicode.

In the wikipedia Lindelof hypothesis article, they reference a result by Ingham:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindelöf_hypothesis

Other consequences
Denoting by pn the n-th prime number, a result by Albert Ingham shows that the Lindelöf hypothesis implies that, for any ε > 0,
p_{n+1}-p_n\ll p_n^{1/2+\varepsilon}\,

if n is sufficiently large. However, this result is much worse than that of the large prime gap conjecture.
 
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jedishrfu said:
I couldn't access the researchgate link as it may be a paywall.

I don't have a subscription either. If you scroll down, you can read it (embedded in the same page).

It says,
Let s=σ+it be a complex variable and ζ(s)the Riemann zeta-function. The classical Lindelof hypothesis asserts that ##\zeta(\sigma+it) \ll_\epsilon (1+|t|)^\epsilon## for every positive ##\epsilon##.

<< means "much less than" ... that's familiar, but what about the subscript?
 
The subscript ##\epsilon## is used to denote a very small quantity often used in epsilon-delta limit proofs but I'm sure when its used as a subscript to the much less than.

Maybe @fresh_42 or @Mark44 will know.
 
Let s=σ+it be a complex variable and ζ(s)the Riemann zeta-function. The classical Lindelof hypothesis asserts that ##\zeta(\sigma+it) \ll_\epsilon (1+|t|)^\epsilon## for every positive ##\epsilon##.
I've never seem that notation before and I don't know what it, ##\ll_\epsilon##, means. The Wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindelöf_hypothesis, says something different.
##\zeta(\frac 1 2 + it) = O(t^\epsilon)## with a similar equation that follows.
 
The expression ##f(x) \ll g(x)## uses what is called Vinogradov notation. It means that there exists a constant ##C > 0## such that

##|f(x)| \leq Cg(x)##

where it's usually understood that ##x \rightarrow \infty##.

The Vinogradov notation ##f(x) \ll g(x)## is the same as the so-called Big O notation. That is, ##f(x) = O(g(x))## means the same as ##f(x) \ll g(x)##. The subscript ##\epsilon## means that the implied constant ##C## depends on ##\epsilon##. See this link and the Wikipedia link there for more information.
 
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Thanks. Another quick question: When we read "for ##\epsilon>0## ", does it imply ##\epsilon<1## even if that's not stated? I mean specifically when talking about big-O to the power of ##\epsilon## ?.
 
I haven't seen it either, I think. My interpretation would be: ##f(t)## is small compared to ##g(t)^\varepsilon ## for suitable ##\varepsilon ,## e.g. probably "any ##\varepsilon >0.##

Anyway, it is used for the first time in whatever you read. This is the context you need to answer your question.
 
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I think the same as fresh, that is is a "conditional" much less than. In this case, for a suitable ##\varepsilon##.

I think I have seen it been used in "mathematical methods for physics" books, but I can not think of a title right of the bat.
 
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Another quick question: When we read "for ##\epsilon>0## ", does it imply ##\epsilon<1## even if that's not stated?
Yes, in most cases. The inequality ##\epsilon>0## is almost universally meant to convey the idea the ##\epsilon## is a small, positive number.
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I mean specifically when talking about big-O to the power of ##\epsilon## ?.
This doesn't make any sense. The "big O" business is applied to some function; e.g., O(f(x)).
 
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Mark44 said:
This doesn't make any sense. The "big O" business is applied to some function; e.g., O(f(x)).
Sorry, that was sloppy language. I meant big-O applied to some f(x) that involves something raised to ##\epsilon##
 

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