What does G mean in general relativity?

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Dale said:
That simply is not true for dimensions. Those can and do change with different unit systems. In some unit systems ##v## is dimensionless, in some it has dimensions of ##L^{1}\ T^{-1}##, and in some it has its own base dimension of ##V^{1}##.

In most systems of units you would only have two of those as base dimensions, and the other would be derived. But it is possible to have a system of units where ##V##, ##L##, and ##T## are all independent base dimensions. That would be weird, but in principle it is no different than how SI and Gaussian units treat charge.
In all unit systems ##[V]=[L]/[T]##. In some unit systems (HEP natural units as well as Planck units) [L]=[T] and thus [V]=1.
 
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vanhees71 said:
In all unit systems ##[V]=[L]/[T]##.
See post 49 for a counterexample
 
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Dale said:
See post 49 for a counterexample
That counter-example works by takling an external constant and running it into (or, I suppose, out of) the unit definition. This is actually fine and not a counter-example at all, because everything measurable still has the relationship between measurable quantities.

By the way, I see a definite confusion in this thread about units and dimensions. They are not the same thing: torque and energy have the same dimensions (in MKSA) but are different things with different units.
 
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In the SI torque and energy have the same dimensions. Of course this doesn't imply that they are the same as a physical quantity. In natural units everything is measured in dimensionless numbers but that doesn't imply at all that all quantities have the same physical meaning.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
This is actually fine and not a counter-example at all, because everything measurable still has the relationship between measurable quantities.
It is a counter-example for the specific claim that "in all unit systems [V]=[L]/[T]". In the Dale2 units $$v=k\frac{l}{t}$$$$[V]=[V^{1}\ L^{-1}\ T^{1}]\frac{[L]}{[T]}$$$$[V]=[V]$$ so ##V## is an independent base dimension.

Yes, of course it is fine and everything measurable still has the relationship between measurable quantities. The point is exactly that the dimensionality of a quantity is NOT something measurable because the dimensionality can be revised by convention without affecting anything measurable.

When you measure a charge, ##q##, in SI vs in Gaussian units you can use the same experiments and the same measurements even though the formulas you use are different and the dimensionality of the resulting ##q## is different.
 
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Dale said:
For example in SI units Newton’s 2nd law is ##\Sigma \vec f =m\vec a## but you could make a system of units (Dale units) where force is its own base dimension. In those units Newton’s 2nd law is ##\Sigma \vec f = k m \vec a## where ##k## is a dimensionful universal constant with dimensions of ##F^{1}\ M^{-1}\ L^{-1}\ T^{2}##.
Dimensionless doesn't distinguish between a "base dimension" and a "derived dimension."
 
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