Hamiltonian of a Physical Theory: Lagrangian vs Transformation

In summary, the Hamiltonian formulation of a physical theory can be obtained by applying the Legendre transform to the Lagrangian. This is only possible if the Lagrangian is a convex function of the time derivative of the generalised coordinates. The Legendre transformation may not always exist, as explained on the Wikipedia page.
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Narasoma
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What does it means for a physical theory to have hamiltonian, if it is formulated in lagrangian form? Why doesn't someone just apply the lagrangian transformation to the theory, and therefore its hamiltonian is automatically gotten?
 
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Can you be more specific and give a specific example?

In general, you can get to the Hamiltonian formulation of the same theory by applying the Legendre transform (which is what I assume that you mean) to your Lagrangian. In order for this to work, the Legendre transform needs to exist, which in turn requires the Lagrangian to be a convex function of the time derivative of your generalised coordinates.
 
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Orodruin said:
Can you be more specific and give a specific example?

In general, you can get to the Hamiltonian formulation of the same theory by applying the Legendre transform (which is what I assume that you mean) to your Lagrangian. In order for this to work, the Legendre transform needs to exist, which in turn requires the Lagrangian to be a convex function of the time derivative of your generalised coordinates.
Ah, sorry. Legendre transformation. That was what I meant. But doesn't it always exist?
 
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Narasoma said:
Ah, sorry. Legendre transformation. That was what I meant. But doesn't it always exist?
No. See the wikipedia page.
 

1. What is the Hamiltonian of a physical theory?

The Hamiltonian of a physical theory is a mathematical function that describes the total energy of a system. It is derived from the Lagrangian, which is the mathematical function that describes the dynamics of the system.

2. What is the difference between the Lagrangian and the Hamiltonian?

The Lagrangian and the Hamiltonian are two different mathematical functions that describe different aspects of a physical system. The Lagrangian describes the dynamics of the system in terms of its position and velocity, while the Hamiltonian describes the total energy of the system.

3. How are the Lagrangian and Hamiltonian related?

The Hamiltonian is derived from the Lagrangian through a mathematical process called Legendre transformation. This transformation allows us to express the dynamics of a system in terms of its energy instead of its position and velocity.

4. Can the Hamiltonian and Lagrangian be used interchangeably?

No, the Hamiltonian and Lagrangian cannot be used interchangeably. They describe different aspects of a physical system and have different mathematical forms. However, they are closely related and can be used together to fully describe the dynamics of a system.

5. Why is the Hamiltonian important in physics?

The Hamiltonian is important in physics because it allows us to understand and predict the behavior of physical systems. It is a fundamental concept in classical mechanics and is also used in other branches of physics such as quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics.

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