What Does Norm Convergence Mean in $L^p$ Spaces?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of norm convergence in $L^p$ spaces, specifically addressing the conditions under which a sequence of functions converges to a limit function in the norm sense. Participants explore theoretical aspects, proofs, and implications of convergence in the context of functional analysis.

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  • One participant states that if $f_n, f \in L^p$ and $f_n \rightarrow f$ almost everywhere, along with $||f_n||_p \rightarrow ||f||_p$, then $f_n \rightarrow f$ in the norm sense.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the meaning of convergence in the norm, defining it as $\|\,f_n - f\|_p \to 0$ as $n \to \infty$.
  • A participant references a proof that relies on a generalized version of the dominated convergence theorem and discusses the implications of convexity in the context of the proof.
  • One participant proposes a formulation involving Fatou's lemma and provides a detailed mathematical argument to support their reasoning regarding the convergence.
  • Another participant expresses agreement with the proposed formulation and shares their own struggles with proving the result using the dominated convergence theorem.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and approaches to the proof of norm convergence, with some agreeing on the validity of certain formulations while others present different perspectives on the use of the dominated convergence theorem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to proving the result.

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The discussion includes references to specific mathematical theorems and lemmas, but the limitations of these approaches and the assumptions involved are not fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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Hey! :o

If $f_n, f \in L^p, 1\leq p < +\infty$ and $f_n \rightarrow f$ almost everywhere, and $||f_n||_p \rightarrow ||f||_p$, then $f_n\rightarrow f$ as for the norm.

Could you give me some hints how to show it?? (Wondering)

What does convergence as for the norm mean?? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

If $f_n, f \in L^p, 1\leq p < +\infty$ and $f_n \rightarrow f$ almost everywhere, and $||f_n||_p \rightarrow ||f||_p$, then $f_n\rightarrow f$ as for the norm.

Could you give me some hints how to show it?? (Wondering)

What does convergence as for the norm mean?? (Wondering)
This is an elusive result. I found a proof of it http://math.ucsd.edu/~lni/math240/Hand-out1.pdf (Theorem 0.1). The proof relies on a generalised version of the dominated convergence theorem, which is proved here. Another ingredient in the proof is the fact that $(a+b)^p \leqslant 2^{p-1}(a^p + b^p)$ for positive numbers $a,b$. You can deduce that from the fact that the function $f(x) = x^p$ is convex for $x>0$, and so $f\bigl(\frac12\!(a+b)\bigr) \leqslant \frac12\!\!\bigl(f(a) + f(b)\bigr).$

"Convergence as for the norm" means $\|\,f_n - f\|_p \to0$ as $n\to\infty$.
 
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Opalg said:
This is an elusive result. I found a proof of it http://math.ucsd.edu/~lni/math240/Hand-out1.pdf (Theorem 0.1). The proof relies on a generalised version of the dominated convergence theorem, which is proved here. Another ingredient in the proof is the fact that $(a+b)^p \leqslant 2^{p-1}(a^p + b^p)$ for positive numbers $a,b$. You can deduce that from the fact that the function $f(x) = x^p$ is convex for $x>0$, and so $f\bigl(\frac12\!(a+b)\bigr) \leqslant \frac12\!\!\bigl(f(a) + f(b)\bigr).$

"Convergence as for the norm" means $\|\,f_n - f\|_p \to0$ as $n\to\infty$.

Ahaa... So can I formulate it as followed?? (Wondering)From Fatou`s lemma we have that $$\int \lim \inf [2^{p-1}(|f_n|^p+|f|_p)-|f_n-f|^p]d\mu \leq \\ \lim \inf \int [2^{p-1}(|f_n|^p+|f|^p)-|f_n-f|^p]d\mu \\ \Rightarrow 2^{p-1}\int \lim \inf (|f_n|^p+|f|^p)d\mu+\int \lim \inf (-|f_n-f|^p)d\mu \leq 2^{p-1}(\lim \inf \int |f_n|^pd\mu +\lim \inf \int |f|^pd\mu )+\lim \inf (-\int |f_n-f|^p d\mu) \\ \Rightarrow 2^{p-1}[\int \lim \inf |f_n |^pd \mu+\int \lim \inf |f|^pd \mu]-\int \lim \sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu \leq 2^{p-1}[\lim \inf \int |f_n|^pd \mu+\lim \inf \int |f|^p d\mu]-\lim \sup \int |f_n-f|^pd \mu \ \ \ \ \ (*) $$

Knowing that $||f_n||_p\rightarrow ||f||_p \Rightarrow \left ( \int |f_n|^p\right )^{1/p}\rightarrow \left ( \int |f|^p\right )^{1p}$ , we have that $\lim \inf |f_n|^p=|f|^p$

Therefore, $$(*)\Rightarrow 2^{p-1}\int (|f|^pd \mu+\int |f|^pd\mu)-\int \lim \sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu \leq 2^{p-1}(\lim \inf \int |f_n|^pd \mu +\int |f|^pd \mu)-\lim \sup \int |f_n-f|^pd \mu \\ \Rightarrow 2^{p-1}\int |f|^pd \mu-\int \lim \sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu \leq 2^{p-1}\lim \inf ||f_n||^p_p-\lim \sup \int |f_n-f|^pd \mu \\ \Rightarrow 2^{p-1}||f||^p_p-\int \lim \sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu \leq 2^{p-1} ||f||^p_p-\lim \sup \int |f_n-f|^pd \mu \\ \Rightarrow \lim \sup \int |f_n-f|^pd \mu \leq \int \lim\sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu \\ \Rightarrow \lim \sup ||f_n-f||^p_p \leq \int \lim \sup |f_n-f|^pd \mu =0, \text{ since } f_n\rightarrow f \text{ almost everywhere } $$

So, we conclude that $||f_n-f||_p\rightarrow 0$.
 
Yes, that looks good. (Yes) (Rock)

I struggled for a long time, unsuccessfully, to prove this result by using the dominated convergence theorem. Then I discovered that online reference to a generalisation of the DCT (proved in the same way as the standard DCT, from Fatou's lemma), in which instead of a single dominating function there is a convergent sequence of them.
 

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