What does 'p only if q' mean in logic and proofs?

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The discussion centers around the interpretation of the logical statement "p only if q" and its relationship to the implication "p implies q." Participants explore various interpretations and examples to clarify the meaning of this phrase within the context of logic and proofs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the phrase "p only if q" and seeks clarification on its meaning in relation to other interpretations of "p implies q."
  • Another participant suggests that "only if" indicates that if p is true, then q must also be true, explaining that the implication is false only when p is true and q is false.
  • A different participant provides examples to illustrate that certain implications can be vacuously true, noting that the truth of "p only if q" hinges on the relationship between p and q.
  • Participants share examples to demonstrate how the truth of implications can be independent of the actual content of p and q, leading to discussions about vacuous truths.

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Participants generally agree that "p only if q" can be confusing and that it relates to the truth conditions of implications. However, there is no consensus on a singular interpretation, and multiple viewpoints on the implications of the phrase are presented.

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Some participants note that the interpretations and examples provided may depend on the specific context of p and q, and that the relationship between them can affect the understanding of the implications.

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Interpreting "p implies q"

My Linear Algebra professor had my class work on some proofs, then introduced "truth tables," along with some notation and symbols.

I've taken a class on proofs before, but for some reason it didn't provide any background in pure logic, so I'm a bit lost with one thing my LinAlg prof wrote on the board.

He listed a few ways to interpret
p \Rightarrow q:
  • p implies q,
  • if p then q,
  • q is necessary for p,
  • p is sufficient for q,
  • p only if q

I understand the first four items, but the last one doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please explain how it works? Thanks in advance.
 
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SithsNGiggles said:
My Linear Algebra professor had my class work on some proofs, then introduced "truth tables," along with some notation and symbols.

I've taken a class on proofs before, but for some reason it didn't provide any background in pure logic, so I'm a bit lost with one thing my LinAlg prof wrote on the board.

He listed a few ways to interpret
p \Rightarrow q:
  • p implies q,
  • if p then q,
  • q is necessary for p,
  • p is sufficient for q,
  • p only if q

I understand the first four items, but the last one doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please explain how it works? Thanks in advance.

I agree that "only if" is the most confusing of the group. I think of it this way.

Say p => q. The only way that can be false is if either p is false, or q is true.

Say p is true. If q is false that makes the implication false. So if p is true then q must be true.

So if p => q is true, then p can be true only if q is true.

Remember, if 2 + 2 = 5 then I am the Pope. That's true.

So 2 + 2 = 5 only if I am the Pope. Can't be any other way.
 


Thanks, SteveL27. The last three lines were very helpful.
 


SithsNGiggles said:
My Linear Algebra professor had my class work on some proofs, then introduced "truth tables," along with some notation and symbols.

I've taken a class on proofs before, but for some reason it didn't provide any background in pure logic, so I'm a bit lost with one thing my LinAlg prof wrote on the board.

He listed a few ways to interpret
p \Rightarrow q:
  • p implies q,
  • if p then q,
  • q is necessary for p,
  • p is sufficient for q,
  • p only if q

I understand the first four items, but the last one doesn't make sense to me. Can someone please explain how it works? Thanks in advance.

The statement is true unless p is true and q is false.

Examples:
"if the moon is green cheese then 2+2=4"

That is true. It seems weird at first, but basically it is saying that 2+2=4 regardless so it doesn't matter what the moon is made of.

"if the moon is green cheese then 2+2=5" Sure. You will never be able to provide a counterexample, so it is a true statement. Vacuous, useless, but true.

"if 1+1=2 then 2+2=4" True. The second statement doesn't follow from the first so it is of no value, but it is indeed true.

'If 1+1=2 then 2+2=5" False!

As you can see, if there is no connection between p and q then any statement relating them is rather vacuous. But there is no harm in that.
 


Thanks ImaLooser. Your examples were pretty helpful too.
 

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