What Does Standard Mean in SCCM Gas Flow Rate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the meaning of "standard" in the context of gas flow rates measured in standard cubic centimeters per minute (sccm). Participants explore the implications of standard conditions on gas flow measurements, as well as related calculations for gas deposition in a vacuum chamber.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that "standard" refers to an average amount of gas per minute.
  • Others clarify that "standard" typically denotes standard conditions, which can vary by industry, with examples including 68°F and 14.7 psia in the US, and 0°C in some European contexts.
  • One participant raises a question about calculating the thickness of an AlN film formed in a vacuum chamber, given a flow rate of 5 sccm and a deposition rate of 1 angstrom/s, while also considering the need for additional parameters like voltage and current.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of the situation, noting that many factors, such as the shape of the plasma and the chamber, could influence the outcome.
  • Some participants reference the variability in definitions of standard conditions and suggest consulting original sources for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of "standard" and the conditions that apply, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise implications of these definitions on calculations and applications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about standard conditions and the specific parameters required for accurate calculations in gas flow and deposition scenarios.

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gas flow rate has units of "sccm" that standard cubic centimeter per minute. what does "standard" means here? how is derived? if there is gas flow of 1 sccm then how much gas flows in cubic meters?
 
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Im not sure but I think "standard" refers to "average" amount of gas per minute here.

1 cubic cm = 1/1000000 cubic meters = 0,000001 cubic meters
 
say Al is evaporated in a vacuum chamber to form a thin film of AlN, say flow rate of N2 is 5sccm and deposition rate is 1 angstrom/s. then in 10minutes how thick film of AlN is formed? does in this case we need to consider voltage and current values (used to evaporate Al) also in order to estimate film thickness?
 
The term "standard" refers to standard conditions, usually 68 F and 14.7 psia (in the US). You'll find however, that different industries take liberties in defining standard conditions. I believe there are European industries that define standard conditions as 0 C (not sure the pressure they use). You should ask whoever gave you the values to define standard conditions for you if you need something any more accurate than that.
 
Ravian said:
say Al is evaporated in a vacuum chamber to form a thin film of AlN, say flow rate of N2 is 5sccm and deposition rate is 1 angstrom/s. then in 10minutes how thick film of AlN is formed? does in this case we need to consider voltage and current values (used to evaporate Al) also in order to estimate film thickness?

... and the shape of the plasma, and the shape and size of the chamber, and possibly many other things. Have fun.
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
... and the shape of the plasma, and the shape and size of the chamber, and possibly many other things. Have fun.

Yeah when I read the assignment I was like there so many elements missing too.
 
Q_Goest said:
The term "standard" refers to standard conditions, usually 68 F and 14.7 psia (in the US). You'll find however, that different industries take liberties in defining standard conditions. I believe there are European industries that define standard conditions as 0 C (not sure the pressure they use). You should ask whoever gave you the values to define standard conditions for you if you need something any more accurate than that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_conditions_for_temperature_and_pressure

Wikipedia said:
The current version of IUPAC's standard is a temperature of 0 °C (273.15 K, 32 °F) and an absolute pressure of 100 kPa (14.504 psi, 0.986 atm)[1], while NIST's version is a temperature of 20 °C (293.15 K, 68 °F) and an absolute pressure of 101.325 kPa (14.696 psi, 1 atm).

It's a jungle of standards really. To have any idea, see if the conditions are stated elsewhere in the publication or hand, or make your best guess from the wiki article.
 

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