What does the wavevector "k" mean in the Schrödinger eq. ?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and significance of the wavevector "k" in the context of the Schrödinger equation, particularly in relation to the energy levels of electrons in a one-dimensional crystal lattice as described by the Kronig-Penney model. Participants explore the differences in the use of "k" for free particles versus particles in a periodic potential, addressing theoretical implications and physical interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the wavevector "k" is used differently in the Kronig-Penney model compared to the Schrödinger equation for free particles, suggesting that the mathematical framework remains unchanged.
  • Another participant notes that the wavevector "k" serves dual roles: as a wavevector in the plane wave solution and as an index for the quantum states, which enumerate individual solutions.
  • Concerns are raised about the loss of the simple interpretation of "k" as a direct representation of momentum, particularly in periodic potentials where momentum is not constant.
  • It is mentioned that the concept of "quasi wave vector" is sometimes used to clarify the role of "k" in Bloch waves, indicating that it may not directly correspond to physical momentum.
  • A participant emphasizes that the crystal momentum, related to "k," behaves like momentum but does not represent true momentum in the classical sense.
  • Discussion includes the idea that in constrained systems, the wavevector must take on discrete values, allowing it to serve as an index for quantum states.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the wavevector "k," with some agreeing on its dual role while others highlight the complexities and limitations of its physical significance in different contexts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the interpretation of "k" may depend on the specific conditions of the system being analyzed, and there are unresolved questions about the association of "k" with momentum and wavelength in periodic potentials.

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why the solution for energy levels of electron in 1D crystal lattice as solved in Kronig penny model has used wave vector k differently then the Schrödinger equation solved for a free particle.
(only the conditions in the equation has changed not the maths...so the "USE" of wavevector 'k' must remain same and thus the physical significance)

Moreover I want to ask reason for below mentioned statements(source given at end)-
- >'We notice that exactly as in the case of the constant potential , the wave vector k has a twofold role: It is still a wave vector in the plane wave part of the solution, but also an index to yk(r) and uk(r) because it contains all the quantum numbers, which ennumerate the individual solutions.'

- >But in any case, the quantity k, while still being the wave vector of the plane wave that is part of the wave function (and which may be seen as the "backbone" of the Bloch functions), has lost its simple meaning: It can no longer be taken as a direct representation of the momentum p of the wave via p = [PLAIN]http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/semi_en/kap_2/illustr/h_quer.gif[I]k[/I][/B], or of its wavelength l = 2p/k, since:
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The momentum of the electron moving in a periodic potential is no longer constant (as we will see shortly); for the standing waves resulting from (multiple) reflections at the Brillouin zones it is actually zero (because the velocity is zero), while k is not.
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There is no unique wavelength to a plane wave modulated with some arbitrary (if periodic) function. Its Fourier decomposition can have any spectra of wavelengths, so which one is the one to associate with k?
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To make this clear, sometimes the vector k for Bloch waves is called the "quasi wave vector".
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Instead of associating k with the momentum of the electron, we may identify the quantity [PLAIN]http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/semi_en/kap_2/illustr/h_quer.gif[B][I]k[/I][/B], which is obviously still a constant, with the so-called crystal momentum P, something like the combined momentum of crystal and electron.
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Whatever its name, [PLAIN]http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/semi_en/kap_2/illustr/h_quer.gif[B][I]k[/I][/B] is a constant of motion related to the particular wave yk(r) with the index k. Only if V = 0, i.e. there is no periodic potential, is the electron momentum equal to the crystal momentum; i.e. the part of the crystal is zero.
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The crystal momentum P, while not a "true" momentum which should be expressible as the product of a distinct mass and a velocity, still has many properties of momentums, in particular it is conserved during all kinds of processes.----As mentioned at -- http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/amat/semi_en/kap_2/backbone/r2_1_4.html
 
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Welcome to PF;
why the solution for energy levels of electron in 1D crystal lattice as solved in Kronig penny model has used wave vector k differently then the Schrödinger equation solved for a free particle.
... well those are different situations.
But how has the wave vector been used differently?

You can use any characteristic of a mode as a way to label (index) the mode.
 
For free particles. Wave function is flat wave given by wave number k: where k2=2mE/ћ2
 
Good point @tijana ... specifically, for free particles, the wave-vector can take on much any value, which makes it useless as a general index (although we can use the wave-vectors of two different waves as labels to distinguish them). In some constraining systems, though, the wave-vector must take on discrete values ... so it can be used as an index for the state rather than just the name of a wave.

Some character of a function being used as a label in no way changes how it is used in physics, the labels just help us have discussions.
 

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