What does the wavevector \vec{k} mean?

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The discussion centers on the meaning and properties of the wavevector \(\vec{k}\) in the context of wave mechanics, including its definition, components, and relationship to wavenumber. Participants explore theoretical aspects and mathematical representations, as well as implications for various types of waves.

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  • Some participants propose that the wavefunction can be expressed in terms of the wavevector \(\vec{k}\) and discuss its components in relation to wavelength.
  • Others argue that while the relationship \(k = 2\pi/\lambda\) holds in one dimension, the components of \(\vec{k}\) cannot simply be expressed as \([2\pi/\lambda_1, 2\pi/\lambda_2, 2\pi/\lambda_3]\) without considering the direction of propagation.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the dot product between a position vector and a wavevector is mathematically well-defined, suggesting that using the wavevector is preferable for clarity in calculations involving diffraction and interference.
  • Participants discuss the units of \(\lambda\) and \(\vec{k}\), noting that the components of \(\vec{k}\) should have units of reciprocal distance.
  • Some contributions highlight the concept of a scalar wavenumber and its relation to the wavevector, suggesting that the wavevector is a generalization of the wavenumber concept.
  • One participant mentions the importance of understanding the wavevector in the context of various wave phenomena, indicating its utility in wave physics.

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Participants express differing views on the correct representation of the components of \(\vec{k}\) and the relationship between wavevector and wavenumber. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and implications of these concepts.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the definitions of wavelength and wavevector, as well as the mathematical steps involved in relating them. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their claims.

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The wavefunction for a wave traveling in direction r can be written as
\psi ( \vec{r}, t ) = A \cos ( \vec{k} \cdot \vec{r} - \omega t + \phi ), where \vec{k} is the wave vector.
In one dimension, k = 2*\pi/\lambda, so is it correct to write the vector components of \vec{k}= [k_1, k_2, k_3] = [2\pi/\lambda_1, 2\pi/\lambda_2, 2\pi/\lambda_3]?

Thanks for any hints.
 
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Hi mzh,

Yes, the vector specifies how many wavefronts one will measure in a unit length in each direction. (The geometric decomposition of a plane wave)

Note that you can you create a scalar wavenumber which may also use k as a variable name. One convention when doing that is to not use italics (where you would use italics for the vector).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_vector
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavenumber
 
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PhilDSP said:
Hi mzh,

Yes, the vector specifies how many wavefronts one will measure in a unit length in each direction. (The geometric decomposition of a plane wave)

Note that you can you create a scalar wavenumber which may also use k as a variable name. One convention when doing that is to not use italics (where you would use italics for the vector).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_vector
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavenumber

@phildsp, thanks. ok, if i get it right, this means the wavevector is a generalization of the wavenumber concept. ok. thanks.
 
mzh said:
In one dimension, k = 2*\pi/\lambda, so is it correct to write the vector components of \vec{k}= [k_1, k_2, k_3] = [2\pi/\lambda_1, 2\pi/\lambda_2, 2\pi/\lambda_3]?

The first half is correct. However, you cannot write [k_1, k_2, k_3] = [2\pi/\lambda_1, 2\pi/\lambda_2, 2\pi/\lambda_3] if [\lambda_1,\lambda_2,\lambda_3]=\frac{2\pi}{k^2}[k_1,k_2,k_3] is a vector in the direction of propagation and with the length λ.

A dot product between a position vector and a wave vector is well defined and easy to work with mathematically. That's why this notation is used. Dividing the position by a "wavelength vector" is not well defined, or rather the only sensible definition is via the wave vector. So rather than using some weird, indirect definition you just use the wave vector.

Note that this is true for all kinds of waves: Wave functions in QM, electromagnetic waves, acoustics, ... As soon as you have to deal with diffraction and interference you are much better off with the wave vector. Condensed matter physics is done almost exclusively in reciprocal space, i.e. writing things as function of the wave vector instead of real space position.
 
M Quack said:
The first half is correct. However, you cannot write [k_1, k_2, k_3] = [2\pi/\lambda_1, 2\pi/\lambda_2, 2\pi/\lambda_3] if [\lambda_1,\lambda_2,\lambda_3]=\frac{2\pi}{k^2}[k_1,k_2,k_3] is a vector in the direction of propagation and with the length λ.

A dot product between a position vector and a wave vector is well defined and easy to work with mathematically. That's why this notation is used. Dividing the position by a "wavelength vector" is not well defined, or rather the only sensible definition is via the wave vector. So rather than using some weird, indirect definition you just use the wave vector.

Note that this is true for all kinds of waves: Wave functions in QM, electromagnetic waves, acoustics, ... As soon as you have to deal with diffraction and interference you are much better off with the wave vector. Condensed matter physics is done almost exclusively in reciprocal space, i.e. writing things as function of the wave vector instead of real space position.

thanks quack for your comprehensive reply. however, I'm not sure if i understand all. the following i see, the dot product \vec{k}\cdot\vec{r} needs to be unitless. That means the unit of the components of \vec{k} should be reciprocal distance. But if what I wrote is wrong, then what do the components of \vec{k} look like?
 
Units of lambda are meters (or mm, Anstrom or whatever distance units you use)

Units of k are 1/m (1/mm 1/Angstrom ...), so each component of k has the same units.

Just as \vec{r}. Each component has units meters.
 
It seems the definition of wavenumber that Wikipedia gives is a specific wavenumber scalar that could be called

k_{mag} = \sqrt{k_x^2 + k_y^2 + k_z^2}

where k_x is the spatial frequency in the x dimension such that

k_x = \vec{k} \ \cdot <1, 0, 0>
k_y = \vec{k} \ \cdot <0, 1, 0>
k_z = \vec{k} \ \cdot <0, 0, 1>
 
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PhilDSP said:
It seems the definition of wavenumber that Wikipedia gives is a specific wavenumber scalar that could be called

k_{mag} = \sqrt{k_x^2 + k_y^2 + k_z^2}

where k_x is the spatial frequency in the x dimension such that

k_x = \vec{k} \ \cdot <1, 0, 0>
k_y = \vec{k} \ \cdot <0, 1, 0>
k_z = \vec{k} \ \cdot <0, 0, 1>

@Phildsp/quack: Ok, thanks. So I see it this way that the wavevector is a "generalization" of the wavenumber.
 
Yes, it combines the wave number and the direction of propagation.

The wave vector is an extremely useful concept in wave physics. Taking time to understand it properly will save you headaches later on :-)
 

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